I say ride it out and troll them as long as you can. But sell it to someone else in the mean time.
I say ride it out and troll them as long as you can. But sell it to someone else in the mean time.
In reply to 93gsxturbo :
If the OP keeps up the conversation, the next thing will be some sort over overpayment and then refund.
As an example, for this $3,400 agreed price they will tell you the bank errored and wrote a $4,300 check. They will then propose you accept the $4,300 and just refund the $900.
$4,300 fakes dollars in with you sending $900 real dollars back. They will never come for the car. They don't want the car.
But-but...Nigerian prince!!!
Appleseed said:I replied with this. I think it's fair.
re: "I owe you that much"...
I always hate getting in the "will you hold it" situation. Even free stuff - people want you to hold something for a stranger who may never show up. It always happens when you list something and have a lot of replies...
There needs to be a "Item will be sold to the first to show up with cash in hand" convention - something akin to Robert's Rules of Order.
OHSCrifle said:There needs to be a "Item will be sold to the first to show up with cash in hand" convention - something akin to Robert's Rules of Order.
There is, you just have to impose it and stick to it. The only way I hold a sale for anyone is with a non-refundable deposit. $500 gets you 5 days. I once sold a CHEAP honda, within 10 minutes of listing it I had 20 people "on their way" to see it. First guy starts nit picking details (on a $200 running civic) next guy walks up and shoves $200 in my hand while the first guy is still poking around. Guess who got the car.
In reply to JThw8 :
That's a great story. Do you write something in the advertisement or just tell them "first to place cash in my palm takes it"?
JThw8 said:OHSCrifle said:There needs to be a "Item will be sold to the first to show up with cash in hand" convention - something akin to Robert's Rules of Order.
There is, you just have to impose it and stick to it. The only way I hold a sale for anyone is with a non-refundable deposit. $500 gets you 5 days. I once sold a CHEAP honda, within 10 minutes of listing it I had 20 people "on their way" to see it. First guy starts nit picking details (on a $200 running civic) next guy walks up and shoves $200 in my hand while the first guy is still poking around. Guess who got the car.
I'm the guy who was "on the way" and drove two hours from home with a trailer to buy a CHEAP honda. It was being towed away by another buyer as I arrived. The seller didn't even have the decency to let me know anyone else was looking at it.
I started a new topic about selling decorum (rather than running this one further off topic).
...Still curious if this one was confirmed to be a hard working scammer.
John Welsh said:In reply to 93gsxturbo :
If the OP keeps up the conversation, the next thing will be some sort over overpayment and then refund.
As an example, for this $3,400 agreed price they will tell you the bank errored and wrote a $4,300 check. They will then propose you accept the $4,300 and just refund the $900.
$4,300 fakes dollars in with you sending $900 real dollars back. They will never come for the car. They don't want the car.
This. I'm in the bank fraud world and deal with people being scammed daily.
Cashier's checks mean NOTHING if it's counterfeit. 95% of the counterfeits I see are "cashier's checks". Why? If I'm making a counterfeit anyway why not take two extra seconds and make a "cashier's check" so the victim's bank will question it less and deposit it with no hold THEN request a Western Union back of the difference for either "shipping" or the overpayment.
Never call the number on the check and always look it up separately. Even if you googled this lady and see she is a real employee......well Linkedin. I can write a generic letter and look like a real employee of 80% of corporate America today and most wont call.
Have them stop communicating with them and they can show up with CASH money or meet at their bank if they are local. Don't take a gamble on a check because I can tell you even if you deposit the counterfeit and just wait a couple weeks to see if it's legit, when YOU get the chargeback it can cause YOU to lose your bank account because a bank doesn't like risky customers putting themselves and the bank at risk with counterfeit checks from randos on craigslist.
Don't even take a wire. How are they going to send the wire? What do they need from you? Your routing and checking account number? Oh what if they aren't interested in buying your car and instead of wiring you money, they now initiate an electronic DEBIT from your account? I see it daily.
Example: You take counterfeit cashiers check, deposit it with no Reg E hold (can't put long holds on cashiers checks) then wire the difference for shipping or overpayment and two days after you send the money the check is returned counterfeit. Customer is overdrawn and owes that money to the bank because they sent a wire that is not recallable. They blame the bank, they blame the scammers, they blame everybody but themselves. When they can't pay the OD, who eats the loss? The bank. So even if the customer waits and doesn't spend the money and the chargeback doesn't cause a loss, the bank knows their customer is a giant risk and may want to cease doing business with them.
I teach safe banking classes for seniors on the side and it's heartbreaking to hear how many have already fallen for some form of these scams. Selling cars, retirement, investment, fake inheritance, fake girlfriend/boyfriend, sick relative etc etc etc. The backbone of the scams are mostly the same though the details are arranged to custom fit the audience.
Long soapbox rant but I've posted this stuff on here before. I don't want any of my friends (including GRMers) or family to get sucked in to one of these and if any GRM people ever have questions about anything they think might be sketchy related to banking (job online, CL checks, etc) feel free to message me later down the road. This E36 M3 has doubled since the start of the pandemic.
In reply to OHSCrifle :
No more replies after"$3,400 cash or meet at at my bank."
Maybe they just couldn't scrape up the money? Regardless, that's none of my business.
In this market if the buyer does anything weird at all (checks, bad communication, just bad feelings) just block and move on. Stuff is so hot right now that unless this jeep is Crack Pipe price there is no reason someone from out of state would even be contacting you, it should have been down the road to a new seller within a day or 2 of posting it.
Oh, its definitely crack pipe price. Even for a JEEP. But it's not my JEEP. That's the rub.
Gold doubloons or nothing!
OHSCrifle said:In reply to JThw8 :
That's a great story. Do you write something in the advertisement or just tell them "first to place cash in my palm takes it"?
I was only taking calls, no emails on it, and it was listed at $400 knowing every ahole was going to call and offer less sight unseen. So as they all called and all offered $200 (because everyone thinks 50% is a good offer for some reason) I told them I'm available starting at 10am, first cash in my hand takes it home.
AAZCD (Forum Supporter) said:JThw8 said:OHSCrifle said:There needs to be a "Item will be sold to the first to show up with cash in hand" convention - something akin to Robert's Rules of Order.
There is, you just have to impose it and stick to it. The only way I hold a sale for anyone is with a non-refundable deposit. $500 gets you 5 days. I once sold a CHEAP honda, within 10 minutes of listing it I had 20 people "on their way" to see it. First guy starts nit picking details (on a $200 running civic) next guy walks up and shoves $200 in my hand while the first guy is still poking around. Guess who got the car.
I'm the guy who was "on the way" and drove two hours from home with a trailer to buy a CHEAP honda. It was being towed away by another buyer as I arrived. The seller didn't even have the decency to let me know anyone else was looking at it.
Yeah, if you had called me on that car I'd have told you Paypal to hold it or dont bother with the drive because with the response rate I was getting I knew it wouldnt be there in 2 hours. Seller on your end was a dick not telling you he had other showings scheduled.
Seller was not a dick. The onus is on the potential buyer to cover his ass and either ask or arrange a hold.
There's no good reason to take chances when you're driving two hours
Flynlow (FS) said:Tough call. On the one hand, there is still a % of the population trying to do business as if the internet doesn't exist. People with good intentions, that are either unaware or stuck in their ways. And the person signing the letter appears to be a real person at a real bank:
It could also be someone pretending to be that person whose info is publicly available, too.
Appleseed said:In reply to OHSCrifle :
No more replies after"$3,400 cash or meet at at my bank."
Maybe they just couldn't scrape up the money? Regardless, that's none of my business.
When I bought teh R, I needed a loan, and the seller wanted cash. I told my credit union, and they were able to give me the amount in cash instead of a bank transfer.
An envelope with $3800 in twenties is really thick.
Scam.
Tell them this: Meet at my bank, give the teller your money or check with my deposit slip.
Once the teller accepts the deposit and confirms there is no hold on the funds then, and only then, I sign over the title.
The old trick was the bank would accept the deposit but never mention there was a hold on the funds until the check cleared, unless asked. Thieves knew this and counted on the seller not knowing enough to ask. It used to take days for checks to truly clear but that scam is a lot harder now-a-days. Now the thieves have to get the signed title by handing over a fake check that you only find out is fake when you get to the bank later.
I would rather miss the sale than let a thief profit...
jharry3 said:Scam.
Tell them this: Meet at my bank, give the teller your money or check with my deposit slip.
Once the teller accepts the deposit and confirms there is no hold on the funds then, and only then, I sign over the title.
The old trick was the bank would accept the deposit but never mention there was a hold on the funds until the check cleared, unless asked. Thieves knew this and counted on the seller not knowing enough to ask. It used to take days for checks to truly clear but that scam is a lot harder now-a-days. Now the thieves have to get the signed title by handing over a fake check that you only find out is fake when you get to the bank later.
I would rather miss the sale than let a thief profit...
Now the thieves don't want your car at all. They want your money not a '91 Accord that can be tracked. They want you to deposit the check that is an overpayment , wire the difference for "shipping" , then the theif takes the difference from the overpayment in guaranteed funds. They can do this worldwide without going anywhere or deal with any real property at all. 99.9% of the scammers are not in person and will never meet anybody in person. If you are going to take anything other than cash , meet at their bank not yours.
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