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frenchyd
frenchyd PowerDork
9/29/20 10:18 p.m.
P3PPY said:

BIL trained bus drivers. Used to complain that ppl would show up for the $11/hour job, get the company-provided CDL training/cert and then disappear.

I did a FedEx rural route. Lots of time in the van, fewer stops, but with driving to the depot, loading my own truck, driving to the route over an hour away it was 14 hour days easy. And that wasn't during peak. The easy route to that was as follows:

1. Pizza delivery driver

2. FedEx seasonal driver - peak is fast approaching, you need to act soon

3. Do a good job and a route owner will hire you on. In my case, what this looked like was after peak they stopped having work for me but I kept calling the depot to see if they had a route for me. Eventually when an opening came up the supervisor told the route owner I was hungry for work and had done a good job. Pay was only $40k adjusted for inflation though, and no benefits or PTO. If you're into making more money, give it a few good months then UPS will hire you straight away as a driver (or so I was told -- I was just done with parcel delivery by that point)

Driving a school bus is tough. A lot of roads I drive on are too narrow winding roads with plenty of low hanging branches. I see the Fed Ex and UPS trucks dodging the trees like me.  The difference is they make a mistake and he messes up some boxes. Me Ive got those kids to worry about.  
Package  delivery on the other hand is a 12 month a year job with benefits, retirement and a future. 
Delivering school kids is a job for old men who aren't ready or willing to pull the plug yet. 

Wally (Forum Supporter)
Wally (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/30/20 5:35 p.m.

If you're in an urban area some transit agencies will get you your license as well. It's better or worse than driving a school bus but you'll likely work a lot of nights and holidays at first.  The perk to that is the stories you get to bring home to the family, like the time I was almost hit with a used tampon. At least I wasn't in a bus full of kids. 

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/30/20 6:59 p.m.

One of the best jobs I ever had was driving motorcoaches.  Driving those big things is a joy and a breeze.

Step 1. Pick up coach from depot.

Step 2. Drive to pickup point at a high school, baptist church, wedding party, whatever.

Step 3. shake hands, give hugs, kill them with customer service, load them up

Step 4. Drive, enjoy free food everywhere you stop, do all the events that the group does for free, stay in a nice hotel for free.

Step 5. Return and watch the passengers pass a hat for tips and get a round of applause because you pulled off that three point turn in a 45 ft coach in downtown Chicago to get them to the show on time.

Step 6. Get paid, as if the awesome time you had wasn't enough.

Sometimes you get a boring jaunt, like I took a Baptist Retiree group to the world's worst botanical gardens where they had unknowingly booked a weekend of timeshare sales pitches.  Not only were the people as exciting as powdered milk, and there was nothing for me to do but wait, they were all in foul moods and the tips sucked.  Sometimes you get the most awesome gigs ever.  I took a charter of CFL bigwigs from Gulfport MS to New Orleans to the SuperBowl.  Some dude in the group broke his leg and couldn't go, so guess who got the extra ticket?  THIS GUY.  They were internal comp/courtesy tickets, so they didn't pay for it, nor could they sell it.  Drove a couple hours, watched the superbowl from the front row 1st mezzanine on the 30 yard line, drove a couple hours back, got all their leftover beer, whiskey, and wine, got a whopper tip, and got paid 10 hours to do it.

You're getting paid to sit in an air suspension seat, drive a $1.5M wonder of engineering, and you are in captivity with 50 people who are already on cloud 10 because they're excited for their vacation.  Can't beat it.

I got started in that because I drove school buses when I was in college.  Great part time job for a student.  The company gave me paid training, and they had a small charter company.  Drive school during the week, charters on the weekend.  From there I drove for a company with brand new Prevost coaches in Gulfport, drove a little bit for a company in L.A. and also drove the Cherry Bomb (party bus) when I was in Austin.

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/30/20 7:21 p.m.

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

E36 M3, I'm changing careers.

P3PPY
P3PPY GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
9/30/20 7:50 p.m.

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

What’s it pay?

New York Nick
New York Nick GRM+ Memberand New Reader
9/30/20 8:15 p.m.

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

I have always dreamed about this as a side job / early retirement job! 
 

I have a CDL, I have little need for it but it's not expensive to keep (the medical is a PITA but not hard) and it gives you a ton of flexibility. People are always wanting to hire drivers with a CDL. A lot of those jobs are local delivery type deals. Our local tractor dealer keeps 4 flatbeds delivering tractors and equipment 6 days a week and they are regularly looking for drivers. 
NYN

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/30/20 9:24 p.m.

In reply to P3PPY :

I started in 94.  Pay was $50/day school, but if you think about it, it only involves about 4 hours a day.  Charter was $10/hr or $90/day (after 9 hours) plus $50 for each overnight and lodging was paid either by the group or out of the profits of the charter.  In some cases, I had to arrange my own lodging, but usually dispatch took care of it.  The only time I had to do it was on longer trips when it's hard to predict where you'll end up for the night. Good charters (custom service, rich people on vacation, etc) you could easily make the same in tips as your wages.

Driving in 2000-2001 in MS, I just did charters.  $125/day, no minimum.  If I picked up people and took them 4 hours, I got $125.  If I filled the log book to 10 hours, I got $125.  Overnights $90 IIRC.  Tips better in the south unless you get a student group or tourists from a country that doesn't have the custom of tipping.  Sure, they're told it's customary to tip, but they have no clue.  Many of our foreign charters just worked a fixed tip into the traveler's fees which always led to a very boring tip.  No chance to wow them with your awesomness and earn big bucks.

There are a few ways you can go.  Something like Fullerton or Greyhound gets you max pay, max road time, max death potential from weirdos, and the absolute least amount of fun.  Then there are independent charters like the folks I worked with.  Each trip was totally custom.  We never did the same trip twice.  We were just the transportation.  The group or travel agency did all the planning.  There are companies that are a mixture.  You can charter them for whatever, but their bread and butter is selling organized trips to a few dozen locations and marketing it themselves.

I used to be the case that you could tell the type of company by their name.  "Lines" like Greyhound and Fullerton Trailways were public transportation.  "Tours" were travel planners that hocked their own trips, and "Charters" were just the custom transport.  The boundaries get blurred as many companies have dabbled in all formats without changing their names.  There were times in dry spells at our charter companies that we would put together a tour to make some money.  In Western PA where I started, Groundhog day was a good one.  $40/ticket and we could fill all 5 MCI coaches.  $25/ticket and we would take school buses too.  In LA we would do shuttle charters down to the SuperDome for tailgating.  Advertise to show up here, shuttles run every 15 minutes, $20.

In Austin.... THAT was a fun gig.  Didn't make E36 M3 for money ($10/hr) to drive this awesome converted schoolie with massive 18" subs, disco ball, stripper pole, and a fridge.  I got more [insert random sexual activity while driving] than I can legally disclose from drunken partiers.  Take them to a bar, go into said bar and hang out (but not drink of course), load up and go to the next bar and repeat.  I kept all the alcohol at the end of the night and drunk people tip pretty well.  Open the back door, hose out the spilled beer, pee, and vomit, and we're ready for the next one.

In all three of my jobs, they would call and ask if I wanted a charter on Weds leaving at 8am for three days in Orlando (for example).  I could accept or decline without penalty, although they were all small companies and I took what I could.  We had 10 drivers for 6 coaches, so you can imagine that if you constantly turn down work, you're last on the list to call.

Unless things have changed, if you're not a surly, chain-smoking, toothless retired truck driver, you are a golden asset.  Many coach drivers take to it after retiring.  They have spent 30 years with no one but a CB to talk to, peeing in snapple bottles, and eating truck stop fried chicken.  They are very good drivers, but have little finesse and don't tend to care if Mildred gets tossed out of the bathroom with her knickers at her ankles because they're 2 minutes behind and want to make that next light.  They also tend to hate the presence of other humans.  So if you come from the non-trucker side, have a personality, and the ability to finesse the heck out of a big machine, you will impress your passengers and word gets back to dispatch about it.  In all three companies I drove for, I was in my 30s, attractive (at least to the little old church ladies), and personable.  Tips were great, and dispatch loved me.  I got to the top of the list fast just because I didn't smoke in the bus and fart on customers.

So that's how it was 20 years ago.  I thought about doing it again, but at 47 I've found different callings.  I finally surrendered my CDL this year.

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
9/30/20 9:33 p.m.

This guy drives a lot. Some lady was on a car commercial that drove high miles but I have no details on her.  
 

 

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/30/20 9:40 p.m.

My Cherry Bomb gig in Austin:

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