Proper Hooning?????

In reply to NickF40:

I just saw you're in Lancaster County. My opinion of the drift scene could be completely reversed if you got some of the Amish to try it.

yes I understand and I'm not sure how well a buggy would drift haha It would be hilarious to see their beards and straw hats in the car with their, suspenders as a race suit LOL how'd you know New Holland was in Lancaster County? ha

see that is why I love the bloodmasters video so much. I have been following drifting for years now, american/japanese/europe, so I know more about drifting than some other racing areas. All the guys in the video were formula d pro's or pro am's but from the group, I got to meet Ryan Tuerck and Chris Forsberg and they are two of the greatest guys you'll ever meet. They were at a local event, they just came out to support it and have fun with it, that to me is what drifting is about, and i'm sorry but that is just awesome! Ryan actually helped my buddy get his suspension fixed for his next run. There was a party after the whole show and they just stayed and partied with the rest of the people there like normal people. true drivers those lads. That's why I love the video so much is because it shows what the group is all about, getting with your mates and having fun with cars, not a worry or berkeley given about anything!

Ben, you're not much older than me so shut it lol

MG Bryan wrote: In reply to NickF40: I just saw you're in Lancaster County. My opinion of the drift scene could be completely reversed if you got some of the Amish to try it.

But then it's pretty hard to tell if their hats are on sideways...

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:

MG Bryan wrote: In reply to NickF40: I just saw you're in Lancaster County. My opinion of the drift scene could be completely reversed if you got some of the Amish to try it.

But then it's pretty hard to tell if their hats are on sideways...

But they're cool because they have a flat brim, right?

To me, drifting is the automotive equivalent to BMX freestyle, beit flatland, vert or dirt jumping. It's a judged competition vs. a racing competition. Drifting has as much in common with car racing as freestyle does with BMX racing.

If it's someone having fun in a car why run another guy's good time down?

I'm conflicted about the Bloodmasters video. I'm typically not a drift fan but that video gave me a smile and some raised hairs on the back of my arms. I was saying in my brain "What is this stupid California crap?" but enjoying it at the same time. Then I realized, these guys are from Jersey?!

Pretty cool. What's not fun about smoking tires in some E36 M3 box you and your friends put together? What would make it more fun? Doing it in a group!

Personally, I don't get AutoX. Bunch of parking lot goof offs.

HPDE's? Who do these guys think they are? Point by's are for pu$$ies. Even open passing HPDE's are crap because no one wins!

Drag racing? For dummies who don't know that steering wheels turn left AND right. Don't even get me started on circle track racing or ASSCAR.

Ian and Xceler8x....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBJBCFrB5RQ

Whats wrong with an old beat up 240sx?

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/reader-rides/3881/

In reply to N Sperlo:

Aren't you looking for another S13 because that one is too far gone?

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:

Osterkraut wrote:

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:

Osterkraut wrote:

Javelin wrote: Why is every single car in that video beat to absolute E36M3? I mean, really, when did looking like an import reject of a short track or demo derby become a legitimate "look"?

It's a fad among drifters to have a E36 M3ty, held-together-by-zipties look, to prove you DGAF about offs you've earned while being driftorito.

That's not really it at all... When the entire point of the competition is to see how close you can get to the apex or the wall while rolling tire with the car pointed sideways.... contact happens. It's a bit.... silly to bother with trying to keep the car looking pristine. I've done bodywork on a drift car. It was fun. Drill a hole in the crushed panel. Attach a come-along. Attach other end of come-along to a telephone pole. Get a big hammer. Hammer away until taillight will stay put in the panel. Consider done. You all can feel free to competitively drift a perfect looking car all you want. When i start, i'm not going to worry about any such things.

It's a fad among drifters to have a E36 M3ty, held-together-by-zipties look, to prove you DGAF about offs you've earned while being driftorito. My point stands. I don't get why drifters don't put more effort into having a good looking car. I mean ice skating, it's philosophical cousin, requires loads of makeup and shiny tights, not torn sweatpants and visible bruises

It's not a fad.

It's a fad. People will look back on it later like people currently look back on custom vans.

Also, drifting itself is a fad, so by extension anything associated with a fad is also a fad.

Osterkraut wrote:

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:

Osterkraut wrote:

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:

Osterkraut wrote:

Javelin wrote: Why is every single car in that video beat to absolute E36M3? I mean, really, when did looking like an import reject of a short track or demo derby become a legitimate "look"?

It's a fad among drifters to have a E36 M3ty, held-together-by-zipties look, to prove you DGAF about offs you've earned while being driftorito.

That's not really it at all... When the entire point of the competition is to see how close you can get to the apex or the wall while rolling tire with the car pointed sideways.... contact happens. It's a bit.... silly to bother with trying to keep the car looking pristine. I've done bodywork on a drift car. It was fun. Drill a hole in the crushed panel. Attach a come-along. Attach other end of come-along to a telephone pole. Get a big hammer. Hammer away until taillight will stay put in the panel. Consider done. You all can feel free to competitively drift a perfect looking car all you want. When i start, i'm not going to worry about any such things.

It's a fad among drifters to have a E36 M3ty, held-together-by-zipties look, to prove you DGAF about offs you've earned while being driftorito. My point stands. I don't get why drifters don't put more effort into having a good looking car. I mean ice skating, it's philosophical cousin, requires loads of makeup and shiny tights, not torn sweatpants and visible bruises

It's not a fad.

It's a fad. People will look back on it later like people currently look back on custom vans. Also, drifting itself is a fad, so by extension anything associated with a fad is also a fad.

Everything is a fad.

MG Bryan wrote: In reply to N Sperlo: Aren't you looking for another S13 because that one is too far gone?

Yes. I'm not into falling through the floor.

Osterkraut wrote:

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:

Osterkraut wrote:

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:

Osterkraut wrote:

Javelin wrote: Why is every single car in that video beat to absolute E36M3? I mean, really, when did looking like an import reject of a short track or demo derby become a legitimate "look"?

It's a fad among drifters to have a E36 M3ty, held-together-by-zipties look, to prove you DGAF about offs you've earned while being driftorito.

That's not really it at all... When the entire point of the competition is to see how close you can get to the apex or the wall while rolling tire with the car pointed sideways.... contact happens. It's a bit.... silly to bother with trying to keep the car looking pristine. I've done bodywork on a drift car. It was fun. Drill a hole in the crushed panel. Attach a come-along. Attach other end of come-along to a telephone pole. Get a big hammer. Hammer away until taillight will stay put in the panel. Consider done. You all can feel free to competitively drift a perfect looking car all you want. When i start, i'm not going to worry about any such things.

It's a fad among drifters to have a E36 M3ty, held-together-by-zipties look, to prove you DGAF about offs you've earned while being driftorito. My point stands. I don't get why drifters don't put more effort into having a good looking car. I mean ice skating, it's philosophical cousin, requires loads of makeup and shiny tights, not torn sweatpants and visible bruises

It's not a fad.

It's a fad. People will look back on it later like people currently look back on custom vans. Also, drifting itself is a fad, so by extension anything associated with a fad is also a fad.

I don't see a ton of concours-worth race cars out there.

Other than that, this seems to be an argument of opinions, so ima bow out.

"Drifting" has been around since the first old-timey hotrodder discovered it was more fun to do donuts than a stationary smokey burnout. It's not new, and certainly not restricted to Japanese cars.

Jay wrote: "Drifting" has been around since the first old-timey hotrodder discovered it was more fun to do donuts than a stationary smokey burnout. It's not new, and certainly not restricted to Japanese cars.

Sorry, I don't buy that. There's a big jump to made between intentionally breaking traction and "drifting."

drifting has been around since the first old timey hot rodder blasted the gas through a corner. Better?

MG Bryan wrote:

Jay wrote: "Drifting" has been around since the first old-timey hotrodder discovered it was more fun to do donuts than a stationary smokey burnout. It's not new, and certainly not restricted to Japanese cars.

Sorry, I don't buy that. There's a big jump to made between intentionally breaking traction and "drifting."

QFT. Hooning around in your hot-rodded ride is quite a bit different than the "Drifting" culture that has sprung up around the flat-billed doofii that all have watched at least one (and many times only one) Initial D episode and are now experts on "Drifting"

I really don't understand all the drifting hate. It ain't my cup of tea but they are actually out enjoying their cars just like autocrossers, road racers, drag racers and circle track racers.

Drifting was popular in the US before the flat bill brotato doofuses were around.

That's akin to me saying Ken Block is responsible for Rally racing in America.

93EXCivic wrote: I really don't understand all the drifting hate. It ain't my cup of tea but they are actually out enjoying their cars just like autocrossers, road racers, drag racers and circle track racers.

I'm not huge on it. It's fun, though. Honest truth stated above.

Grizz wrote: Drifting was popular in the US before the flat bill brotato doofuses were around. That's akin to me saying Ken Block is responsible for Rally racing in America.

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93EXCivic wrote: I really don't understand all the drifting hate. It ain't my cup of tea but they are actually out enjoying their cars just like autocrossers, road racers, drag racers and circle track racers.

Probably because, like many car cultures, a few backwater mouth breathers practice on the street and give the rest a bad name. I think for me, its the bandwaggoning that goes on. These are similar to the folks that got big into previous fads, pro touring, mini-trucks, audio competition cars, rice, WRX/STI's, etc. Lots of people spending money (good) on crap they don't know anything about (bad) other than so and so ran it and accomplished something that they too want to accomplish.

I applaud the folks out there practicing their craft and are helping to educate their fellows and the general public that they aren't being dousche-nozzles, they are just having fun while learning quite a bit and enjoying the feeling of accomplishment. The ones racing on the streets, being rude to people, etc are not the folks I like to associate with.

Generally if I talk to someone about their car and their mods and they begin spouting brand names instead of specs or showing off the parts and not what they did to make it work, then I tend to not pay as much attention to them. Either they built it via catalog or paid someone else to do it and I just don't respect them as much. I put many of the drifters into this category, which I call, "Rubber Ducky Racing"

They are missing the "Why" in the overall equation. Without that, they are just another "Rubber Ducky" in my book.

I remember faintly when driftin became popular in america, it was all underground, like street racing. That's when it was good, pre flat brim douchebag

ok, how is the bloodmasters guys different then the guys in the GRM $201X Challenges??

NickF40 wrote: ok, how is the bloodmasters guys different then the guys in the GRM $201X Challenges??

Challenge cars don't look like absolute E36M3.