Rally ≠ Rock Crawling!

Guys, I have had the Forest Service cut off trail sections because 'oil from the chains on the bikes kills fish'. The water was only 4" deep at the crossing point. Nowhere near a chain.

face it.. the people with the most pull with the Forest service are Hikers and Horse Riders. Anything mechanised is NOT appreciated by those two groups.

This includes Bicycles, who's biggest ecological impact is you breathing out CO2

mad_machine wrote: This includes Bicycles, who's biggest ecological impact is you breathing out CO2

...and probably less than a horse (unless it is a bicycling politician).

I would hope the Forest Service would be use this as positive proof that volunteer trail manager can clean up the crap that messes up trails.

This has always been the problem with the OHV debate, they can't self-govern or self-manage. Too many folks just want to ride whenever the hell they feel like it, and not do a dang thing for the health of the trail. They get on their quad, ride in the rain and the mud, rip up the trails, and the unfortunately the next guy who uses the trail is an equestrian with connections. He/She gets pissed about the conditions of the trails (or land) and the trail gets closed.

If instead, the quad rider said "I shouldn't ride this because its really muddy and will tear up the trail" then the problem wouldn't arise.

What you want is guys like these in the video...they brutally extracted the stranded vehicle. The owner will not come back.

Combine that will some better trail maintenance and design and you've got yourself a sustainable system.

Or just go to Privately Owned ORV Parks:

http://www.jeep-adventures-travel.com/fourwheeling.html

RexSeven wrote: And now there's in-car video of this jackwagon's asshattery (NSFW language): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S4NLGkHLWU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LetEKzNmVTQ Just to clarify something: the owner ABANDONED the Subaru after he destroyed his oil pan. The guy in the recovery video was a part of the recovery crew, not the Subaru's owner.

Are you sure? The guy at the end of the 2nd telling us that "Subaru's are awesome" video looks like the guy that was driving it in the recovery video.

that subaru was dead before it hit tha trail.. the kid did a damn good job of killing it

I'll admit to taking my 82 wagon onto trails I shouldn't have. I quickly learned Subarus don't have very good approach angles for trail work.

I've ridden some of the Ocala North trails in the Ocala National Forest just a few miles from me here in Florida. The trails are maintained REALLY well by a bunch of Jeep guys. They organize trail days to maintain the old trails and build new trails. I think it's one of the fastest growing trail systems out there. That system is proof that people are willing to do the work, as long as they have a place to ride. We have pay-for mudbogs and pay for trails for the people that get rowdy. The Ocala North trail system is used mostly by people that aren't out there trying to tear up their rigs.

Hocrest wrote: Are you sure? The guy at the end of the 2nd telling us that "Subaru's are awesome" video looks like the guy that was driving it in the recovery video.

GAH! Apostrophe!

In reply to Derick Freese:

Here in central NJ, a local bike shop owner has done similar work with mtn bike trails in a small park. That said, an agreeable park service management is a must. In our case, one of the staff is a rider. It's fun to be riding the trail and come upon a freshly built set of doubles into a bermed corner, then to later read online they were built by park staff.