Since i spent all summer with a knee brace and wasnt active ive gained 40lbs, i feel fat but still dont care what peole think of me. Ive never understood why people concern themselves with the opinions of strangers.
If your unhappy about it work on changing it. If it doesnt bother you then just dont associate with people that bother you.
dropstep wrote: Ive never understood why people concern themselves with the opinions of strangers.
This isn't about how people are concerned with how strangers see them, this is more about how peoples appearance and or fitness effects how they are treated or respected by others in different situations. You may not in general care about how others perceive you, but you probably do or would care if you didn't get a job, promotion or some other opportunity because someone else judges you (not just pre-judging) of your dress or weight.
Everyone has heard the old joke about how a man pick a new secretary, it’s the one with the big boobs, well this is about how someone pics a new hire, it’s the person who is well dressed and in shape to a certain extent regardless of other factors, and if two people are going for the same position, have similar references, experience, qualifications etc. this thread is indicating it will go to the slimmer, better dressed and presented person. This could also be true if the slimmer, better dressed person doesn’t have quite as good qualifications, experience etc. We’d all like to think we’re above such things, but I bet if we all look deep inside ourselves we’ll find we all have the same biases to a greater or lesser extent.
There have been many studies over the years that bear this out. As usual though men seem to get off lighter than women.
I just got back from a conference and even saw dudes in pleated jeans.
I now know there is such a thing.
Not sure why everyone is up in arms about it. As a species we've been hardwired to make snap judgements about one another. Personally, I want the in-shape non-smoker on my team, over the slovenly, morbidly obese chain smoker. I'd venture the former is higher energy, more disciplined, etc etc
Depends on the team. I'd rather have the fat bastard on my race team tuning my Holly Dominators rather that the fit skinny guy. Skinny guys in the gym, while big boy's looking for the demon tweak.
In reply to Appleseed: There is some truth to that. I know of people who leave the office early to have time to work out. I've also missed work due to a blown out knee... from running too much in adverse conditions (snow and ice).
mazdeuce wrote: Some of this is just part of being human. Across pretty much all societies (with a few notable exceptions) we view people who are fit and strong as people in charge and in power. This is why people are most bothered by police/firefighters/military that are visibly out of shape. You have someone who is wearing a uniform that is a symbol of respect and power but the person inside doesn't convey that same feeling. It makes us uncomfortable.
For me it's more because those are jobs where you need to be physically fit to do your job well (although that's not always true for police and military jobs). But I think you have a point about something of a disconnect between jobs that are all about discipline and an unfit person doing that job.
mazdeuce wrote: You're unlikely to find a fit well groomed well spoken 25 year old of either sex working in a menial job for long either. Unless they're in an industry saturated by that type (clubs in a city) they get moved up the ladder quickly. People get uncomfortable with that disconnect as well. It's not right, and I'm not defending it, but most people aren't even conscious that they're doing it.
For a second I thought about going to the gym more seriously than ever before, but then I remembered a fashionable fit friend who almost got into male modeling and still works a E36 M3ty job 
I work in IT so I guess being fit and attractive would be bad for me anyway? I might look like I was doing bench presses and banging cheerleaders when I should've been learning programming languages in a dimly-lit basement
Paul_VR6 wrote:I just got back from a conference and even saw dudes in pleated jeans.I now know there is such a thing.
Our 70ish year old Polish machinist at work is ALL ABOUT the pleated jeans. And super faded floral print shirts. And really poor die jobs on his hair.
Paul_VR6 wrote:I just got back from a conference and even saw dudes in pleated jeans.I now know there is such a thing.
That dude has done an excellent job matching his belt to his shoes.
GameboyRMH wrote:mazdeuce wrote: Some of this is just part of being human. Across pretty much all societies (with a few notable exceptions) we view people who are fit and strong as people in charge and in power. This is why people are most bothered by police/firefighters/military that are visibly out of shape. You have someone who is wearing a uniform that is a symbol of respect and power but the person inside doesn't convey that same feeling. It makes us uncomfortable.For me it's more because those are jobs where you need to be physically fit to do your job well (although that's not always true for police and military jobs). But I think you have a point about something of a disconnect between jobs that are all about discipline and an unfit person doing that job.mazdeuce wrote: You're unlikely to find a fit well groomed well spoken 25 year old of either sex working in a menial job for long either. Unless they're in an industry saturated by that type (clubs in a city) they get moved up the ladder quickly. People get uncomfortable with that disconnect as well. It's not right, and I'm not defending it, but most people aren't even conscious that they're doing it.For a second I thought about going to the gym more seriously than ever before, but then I remembered a fashionable fit friend who almost got into male modeling and still works a E36 M3ty job
that's not the stereotype of the IT guy.. you need glasses, no muscles, a small paunch, and a receding hairline.. a wheeze and a propensity to sweat when even thinking of exerting yourself helps a lot
I work in a sales position of somewhat high dollar construction projects (125k to 5m).
The majority of the people I deal with are owners that are type A, well organized and goal orientated.
That being said, most are also in good to great shape, guy membership has replaced the country club in many of these circles (the village is $300/mo!!) along with crossfit gyms, boxing gyms, 5k road bikes and Dr/ nutritionist to keep everything working right.
Being in shape and living the dream (aka, better bring a hot wife/ gf as well to networking) is all part of the deal. People like this like to show off, but only to similar people. It means nothing to show off to people they see as lessor, only their peers. Fitness is something that you can't buy, but you have to be able to have the time and means to fit it in your schedule. It shows a greater whole picture of your awesomeness.
Appleseed wrote: Depends on the team. I'd rather have the fat bastard on my race team tuning my Holly Dominators rather that the fit skinny guy. Skinny guys in the gym, while big boy's looking for the demon tweak.
Life isn't an RPG, man. Humans can be good at more than one thing.
Also big boy might buckle a fender leaning over to apply that tune.
Spoolpigeon wrote: Forget outward appearance, I judge people by what they drive.
I was not around on GRM (for unrelated reasons) for several months this summer, and so I may have missed a few things. Where is Ben, and how is he?
Also, back to the point, I try to stay fit because I know that (at least in my business) seeing a fit person who takes care of themselves often equates to "that person makes good, solid choices, and appears as though theyre willing to work hard towards a goal". I know its a cliche, but once I started working out, I began to enjoy it, and now its part of my everyday routine.
That said, outside of maintaining a good appearance at work, I dont rally let what others think of me get to me too bad. I want to look good for me, and the missus, and thats about it really.
Knurled wrote:mad_machine wrote: I once went to a dentist who had dirty teeth... never went backThere are two barbers in town. One has an immaculate haircut and one looks like it was done with hedge clippers. Who do you go to?
Obviously, I'd go to the one with the bad haircut. If there are only two barbers in town, they must cut each others hair.
Also, regarding the Hygene of your dentist, I once had a dentist (old guy) who always had a nearly terminal case of visible booger. ALWAYS!
I was concerned for his life, I was unsure how the man was able to breathe!
bludroptop wrote: It concerns me that people judge my character based upon my weight. Not sure if that's my problem or theirs.
Talk about judgemental pricks! You all assumed he was a disgusting fat berkeleyer with cheeto dust and sweat in his rolls. He never said he was overweight you anti-blubber biased flabophobes.
Maybe he is a 90lb weakling who has to listen to POW and AIDS jokes all day long while getting sand kicked in his face at the beach.
Either way... his character needs a costume and some exciting theme show music if he isn't going to hit the gym. There is more than one way to market a train wreck.
Furious_E wrote: Personally, I think it is an incredibly shallow means of judging an individual's merit in regards to a job that has little or no physical requirements. But right, wrong, or indifferent it absolutely happens.
This. Humans are hardwired to make snap judgments within seconds of meeting one another. You can cry about it or you can improve your life.
calteg wrote:Furious_E wrote: Personally, I think it is an incredibly shallow means of judging an individual's merit in regards to a job that has little or no physical requirements. But right, wrong, or indifferent it absolutely happens.This. Humans are hardwired to make snap judgments within seconds of meeting one another. You can cry about it or you can improve your life.
Earlier today I was reading a thread on another forum, and someone pointed out something that was technically correct but flawed in application. I noted that the thread was from eight years ago, just let it go. A few posts later, I found that I'd already replied to the guy, and laid out almost exactly what I was currently thinking.
Good job, Past Me! You get a cookie. Somehow.
logdog wrote:Paul_VR6 wrote:I just got back from a conference and even saw dudes in pleated jeans.I now know there is such a thing.
Appleseed wrote: That dude has done an excellent job matching his belt to his shoes.
That dude has done an excellent job making his face supremely punchable, and you can't even see it in the pic.
Jay wrote:logdog wrote:Paul_VR6 wrote:I just got back from a conference and even saw dudes in pleated jeans.I now know there is such a thing.Appleseed wrote: That dude has done an excellent job matching his belt to his shoes.That dude has done an excellent job making his face supremely punchable, and you can't even see it in the pic.
Really?
I work in a financial institution where being physically fit is technically unnecessary for the job. Of about a dozen of the highest ranking people only one is less than 6'2" tall. A few are portly. Not sure what that says, but I've had one of them publicly make fun of my height in the past (I'm 5'8" and slender).
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