slefain
slefain PowerDork
10/12/16 2:20 p.m.

There is a casting call for a big TV show that needs cars like one that I own.

3) Seeking Period Cars, Trucks, Vans, etc…(1975 – 1985 years) Cars must have original hubcaps / open to all colors & models Locations will vary. Car Bumps $80-$100 Depending on Year & Condition of Car SUBJECT LINE: 80s Car

One of the things I'd like to get into is being the "car guy" for some of these production crews. I want to be that guy who makes sure the automotive stuff passes the sniff test. No F&F piston engines in a rotary powered car stuff. This may be my ticket into meeting the car casting people who already do it.

RX Reven'
RX Reven' GRM+ Memberand Dork
10/12/16 3:00 p.m.

I’ve had peripheral exposure to this with several sources and here are the common themes I’ve heard:

1…Get a specific description of exactly how the car will be used.

2…Stay with the car the entire time unless you’ve established a strong rapport.

3…Have the period of time agreed upon in advance and provisions for how much extra you’ll be paid if it runs over.

4…Get documentation of the shoot (stills, etc.) and permission to use it as it will improve the vehicles value.

slefain
slefain PowerDork
10/12/16 3:12 p.m.

Looks like my collector car insurance frowns upon the idea. I think I'll just pass on it.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/12/16 3:14 p.m.

No.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
10/12/16 3:18 p.m.

Based on a story I related here previously (happened to someone I know):

If you show up to the shoot and there is a scantily clad girl there holding a giant dildo, it might not be the type of movie you think it is!

RX Reven'
RX Reven' GRM+ Memberand Dork
10/12/16 3:27 p.m.
aircooled wrote: Based on a story I related here previously (happened to someone I know): If you show up to the shoot and there is a scantily clad girls there holding a giant dildo, it might not be the type of movie you think it is!

I guess you could say that he...

...pulled out early.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
10/12/16 3:30 p.m.

I can't tell you much about the car side of it. I CAN tell you a lot about the movie business side of it (a close family member is President of FX Network, I've spent time on sets, worked on several films, etc.)

1- It is unlikely that ad is from the producers, or the film company. It's from a contract movie car company who already has the contract for the show. They are your COMPETITION for the kind of work you are looking for.

2- Movie cars are about the contract, not the car. Producers don't care much at all about the cars. They care about working with 1 reliable company who can supply anything and everything they need, carry the insurances they need, handle the payroll, etc. etc. They DO NOT want to be in the business of finding 200 different individual car owners. Movie car companies do this, not Producers. THAT'S what they are paid for, not the cars.

3- Producers don't care about period correctness. It costs them $0 at the box office to have a piston powered car in a rotary. In fact, they usually MAKE money on small mistakes. Car guys get online and bitch without mercy, but it creates a buzz that sells more tickets at the box office.

4- There is ONE period correct issue they have- model year. They can't film a movie set in 1962 with a 1969 Mustang in the background. See #1- that's what movie car companies do.

5- It is necessary to have car doubles to make movies. Lots of them. Movies like F&F probably have 8-12 copies of EVERY car in the movie. But they are not identical- some may be just rollers, some may only be good for long distance shots, some may have a good left side but a crapped out right side. You HAVE to have full-time access to a fast paint shop that can make 8 cars look identical in about 4 hours flat, and rebuild a car when wrecked very quickly.

6- Movies shoot 24/7. They don't care about people's schedules, or why the car can't make it to the shot. You HAVE to be able to keep the car running 24/7.

7- Better be ready to work with Unions. The only people who drive are the Union drivers. If a shot involves an actor behind the wheel, OK. Actor drives 20'. But when the shot needs to be re-shot, the actor gets out, the Union Car Backer-Upper gets in, backs it up 20', and the actor gets back in to re-shoot the scene. No exceptions.

8- Production crews don't usually hire "car guys". They subcontract to movie car companies, who handle all of the above-mentioned details, logistics, and legals.

9- When a Producer says he wants 250 period cars, get them. When the Director says in the middle of the shot that he needs 50 more period correct cars, you'd better be able to come up with them in a couple of hours max.

10- Production companies burn a LOT of money. Many FX productions cost about $8 million PER DAY of shooting. If it is day and they need night, they filter the cameras. If it is night and they need day, they add enough lights. If it is dry and they need rain, they use fire hoses. They CAN NOT afford to wait on a car guy because he is having a problem. That's why they only contract with the big guys.

11- There are no full time jobs in film. It's all contract work. You are hired for 1 show, you work your ass off 24/7, then you are fired, and you start looking for the next gig. Producers have favorite subcontractors for every aspect of a production, and go to them regularly. But there are no staff positions. It's contract basis only- feast or famine. It also makes it a pretty closed shop- it is tremendously hard to break into a Producer's preferred subcontractor list, because he already has someone who can do absolutely everything he needs.

I did Special Effects on a couple of movies, and desperately wanted to continue (as a career). Even with my connections and on-set experience, it was really hard to break in.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
10/12/16 3:32 p.m.

...Oh, and it is usually a contract violation to take still shots on the set. Even as the Special Effects Coordinator, I was not allowed to have or take pictures of my own car on the set in a film.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
10/12/16 3:36 p.m.

I would definitely recommend doing it- its a great experience!

MulletTruck
MulletTruck Reader
10/13/16 12:03 p.m.

In all the years I have been working in the movie industry I have seen a lot of really nice cars get destroyed without the owners doing research or knowing the final action of the car.

Productions will lie to get cheaper prices, be prepared.

Production should carry insurance on the car while in their hands. Get a copy of the rider that has your vehicle listed and what they plan to cover.

I have used my vehicles MANY times and was never surprised at what they had planned.

Research is your friend.

cwh
cwh PowerDork
10/13/16 1:06 p.m.

I did special effects work on the original Bad Boys. Had a lot of fun, had Will Smith ask me to join in a basketball game. Turned him down, too busy. But one hard memory I have is the Bad Guy actor trying to escape in a Cobra. Replica car, real 427, inexperienced driver. Michael Bay wanted the actors to do their own stunts. Actor was tearing along, aiming for an opening betewwn two concrete barriers and stupidly pressed the nitrous button that nobody had disconnected. Went sideways into the barrier, basically tearing off the fiberglass front end, substantial frame damage. It had been rented to the production company. No idea what the end result was on that. My youngest son has an immaculate '66 Caddy convertible, and has been asked several times to rent it out for movies and commercials. Mullettruck, I'm sure you have met him, Tim Hanlon. He never did it, never will.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/13/16 1:37 p.m.
cwh wrote: had Will Smith ask me to join in a basketball game. Turned him down, too busy.

Might be for the best, there probably would've been a couple of guys who were up to no good, making trouble in the neighborhood

cwh
cwh PowerDork
10/13/16 2:38 p.m.

Nah, Mr. Smith came across as a real nice guy. Lousy basketball player that I was, probably would have enjoyed it.

MulletTruck
MulletTruck Reader
10/13/16 2:43 p.m.
cwh wrote: My youngest son has an immaculate '66 Caddy convertible, and has been asked several times to rent it out for movies and commercials. Mullettruck, I'm sure you have met him, Tim Hanlon. He never did it, never will.

I think I have met him, Does security systems?

Funny you should mention Michael Bay, Im doing work at his house today.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/13/16 2:44 p.m.
cwh wrote: Nah, Mr. Smith came across as a real nice guy. Lousy basketball player that I was, probably would have enjoyed it.

Even if you were shootin' the B-ball outside of the school?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/hBe0VCso0qs

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury MegaDork
10/13/16 2:45 p.m.
GameboyRMH wrote:
cwh wrote: had Will Smith ask me to join in a basketball game. Turned him down, too busy.
Might be for the best, there probably would've been a couple of guys who were up to no good, making trouble in the neighborhood

Then he would end up getting into one little fight, and his mom would've gotten worried, and told him to go live with her sister and her husband in Bel Air

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/13/16 2:50 p.m.

I helped with period-correct cars on a film here in Pittsburgh once. James Woods was the actor, and they needed a bunch of English cars for a film set in the 50's. Tapped every British car guy in the area. I drove an MG for my boss, who loaned several cars to the film. They put me in a period-correct coat and hat, just in case I got caught on camera. The craft truck fed me whatever I wanted for breakfast. (Seriously, Blintzes and pancakes and bacon and toast, from a trailer. It was Awesome.) They towed a bunch of modern cars out of our shots, which was fun. People came down to their assigned parking spot and their car was gone. LOL. So do it for some fun, but don't count on making a living on it.

cwh
cwh PowerDork
10/14/16 8:51 a.m.

In reply to MulletTruck: Yup, that's my boy. Does mostly stand up comedy now, some security as a contractor. Been a long time, but Bay was a real jerk to the crew then.

MulletTruck
MulletTruck Reader
10/14/16 9:36 a.m.
cwh wrote: In reply to MulletTruck: Yup, that's my boy. Does mostly stand up comedy now, some security as a contractor. Been a long time, but Bay was a real jerk to the crew then.

Bay is one of the most hated people in town, A close second to that Thief Ben Stiller.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
10/14/16 11:09 a.m.

In reply to MulletTruck:

Hey Mullet...Ever do any FX stuff? Work with John Landgraf?

MulletTruck
MulletTruck Reader
10/14/16 12:43 p.m.
SVreX wrote: In reply to MulletTruck: Hey Mullet...Ever do any FX stuff? Work with John Landgraf? The name does not ring a bell, 90% of my movie stuff is animals, the other 10 is stunt work mostly with horses. with a mix of motorcycle stuff.

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