Riots in Ferguson

Trans_Maro wrote: Rather than locking the topic, can we just ban the one guy who's trying to wreck it? He wants to leave anyway, he's just not sure how to do it.

I found the problem:

T.J. wrote: I guess calling me a crackhead is your way of apologizing? Then, I suppose I will accept even though that is a bit of an unusual apology. As I stated in my post that was deleted by the forum gods, if you want to discuss military exercises in major US cities, please start another thread and we can talk about it. It has as much to do with Ferguson as pie.

Your theories are what I directed the "crackpipe" comment. My post got baleeted so obviously it's tone was poor. I hold no animosity to you, but I still think your idea is bonkers. Training near one of our urban environments isn't practice to invade our own cities, it's because it's not practical to build a city-size MOUT town or go train in actual Baghdad/Tripoli/wherever. If an order were given to go after our own citizens within our borders, that order would not be followed by 90% or more of the people in my branch, from private to colonel (or higher). We are not expected to follow unlawful orders.

And even with these follow-on posts, nobody has said PUMPKIN PIE WITH WHIPPED CREAM?!

Only crackheads eat pumpkin pie

Nick_Comstock wrote: Only crackheads eat pumpkin pie

I love pumpkin pie. But I'm a ginger, so normal stereotypical labels likley don't apply to us.

mattm wrote: In reply to yamaha: Since Indiana was the place of the last public lynching of a black man in the USA, you can reiterate an explanation. Lets let that sink in for those unfortunate enough to live in that worhless hole of a state.

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You live in Ohio. Isn't that state usually used as the example in the dictionary for "Flyover State?" Let's not cast stones whilst living in glass houses, shall we?

In reply to Swank Force One:

+1. At least we have some semblance of roadways.

Swank Force One wrote:

mattm wrote: In reply to yamaha: Since Indiana was the place of the last public lynching of a black man in the USA, you can reiterate an explanation. Lets let that sink in for those unfortunate enough to live in that worhless hole of a state.

You... .... ... You live in Ohio. Isn't that state usually used as the example in the dictionary for "Flyover State?" Let's not cast stones whilst living in glass houses, shall we?

Ohio is the buckle of the rust belt.

Usually if a 9/11 truther talks to me at work I tell them I can't talk about it but if Building 7 came down on time I'd be relaxing on a beach instead of breathing bus fume.

I live in Indiana!!!! It's not a bad state at all.

I just happened to think. The "I cant breathe" thing. Shortness of breath is part of congestive heart failure. He died of a heart attack.

That is how my wife died.

Dr. Hess wrote: Yeah, like LIBOR. There is NO WAY that the LIBOR rate could ever be fixed and scammed. NO WAY at all, as there are WAY too many people that would have to be involved in that and you COULD NEVER keep that a secret, right? Do you know how many trillions of dollars hinged on that rate? And you think people or banks could just move it around to make a few extra billion here and there? HA HA HA HA HA. Impossible. And that has nothing to do with a 18 year old 290 lb thug beating on a cop (although not blowing out his orbital socket, as earlier reported) and trying to take his gun, then, surprise, getting shot in the process. So I would say that this thread drifting to 9/11 conspiracy or other conspiracies in general is getting a bit off the original topic.

The entire orbital socket fracture was only reported by one facist idiot that then decided to try to photoshop an x-ray. Nobody believed it and if you check out the link below you will see exactly how "beaten" this douche bag actually was. The only douchebag that reported that Darren Wilson had an actual injury was Jim Hoft of the gatewaypundit.com. In is downtime, Jim has generally been a douchebag and has built a site with photoshopped X rays of Darren Wilson. Jim is known as the "dumbest man on the internet" for a reason.

So, I have to ask why you seem to be so misinformed that you continue to repeat a lie that originated with the generally accepted "dumbest man on the internet" and attempt to call it a fact? Why would you choose to believe a completely discredited site as even Faux news did not report that there was an orbital fracture though they did repeat the accusations of Jim "I'm too stupid to live" Hoft. How can you say that "it was reported at the time" when the only places that reported it sourced their material from Jim "derp" Hoft? This is how bullE36 M3 becomes a story or a "it was reported...." item.

Again, check out the actual pictures of Darren Wilson after the 'incident' and tell me how the story became so twisted that an educated man like yourself came to believe that Wilson suffered an orbital fracture and continued to believe and propagate that belief for 3 or more months after it was completely debunked. Unless the Jim "derp" Hoft story triggered your own confirmation bias due to your belief about "thugs" and the color of their skin.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

http://www.snopes.com/info/news/wilson.asp

On this website they reference the picture as "severe bruising." LOL

I thought you had left?

Swank Force One wrote:

mattm wrote: In reply to yamaha: Since Indiana was the place of the last public lynching of a black man in the USA, you can reiterate an explanation. Lets let that sink in for those unfortunate enough to live in that worhless hole of a state.

You... .... ... You live in Ohio. Isn't that state usually used as the example in the dictionary for "Flyover State?" Let's not cast stones whilst living in glass houses, shall we?

Don't get me wrong, Ohio is a complete E36 M3hole as well. Less of a hole than Indiana, but a turd filled hole nonetheless. I did live elsewhere in better times. Either way, Ohio has Mid Ohio Sports Car Course which is the only place in the state that is worthy of notice. I hope to have a small amount of my ashes spread there. The rest will be spread outside of "flyover country.' (your terms not mine)

Some of y'all are really harshing my mello. Ease up in here.

ronholm wrote: I thought you had left?

Even your spaghetti monster returns after 3 days, so I have decided that these threads need another voice. Otherwise you will all just agree with each other repeatedly for 24 pages as this thread has demonstrated.

It is amusing that this thread is held up by some as an example of how differing opinions are debated on this board. I would use this thread as an example of what happens when a bunch of people basically agree with each other and reinforce opinions for weeks at a time on the internet. Then some people supposedly use "sarcasm" to post pictures like "pants up don't loot" pictures. Nobody in the thread condemned the posting of the picture except me which I believe shows that this thread was not an example of a debate in any way.

For example, two facists arguing about how high to hang a person (6 feet vs 8 feet) is not really a debate of their different opionions This example is not meant to be indicative of anything other than an example of the past 24 pages of this thread. The past 24 pages have been mostly an agreement of why this kid Brown deserved to die for his "actions" even though we only have two conflicting reports for the incident and both are full of self serving lies. What we don't have is a set of facts and due to the lack of an indictment nobody will even get the sit and listen to both sides and adjudicate what the ACTUAL facts may be.

jsquared wrote: If an order were given to go after our own citizens within our borders, that order would not be followed by 90% or more of the people in my branch, from private to colonel (or higher). We are not expected to follow unlawful orders.

So, you are saying that if asked to use force against a group of American citizens you would be insubordinate? At what level? A family like Ruby Ridge? A small commune like Waco? Or does it have to be a whole town like Wounded Knee? At what point do you say to your superior officer... berkeley this E36 M3 man!

Because they are always commies, socialists, terrorists... first. It's always the label, then the action. Nobody attacks a group of native americans or a sovereign nation like Iraq without some pre-planning. How do you know when the bad guys are really bad if you don't just follow the orders?

STRAWBERRY RHUBARB PIE FTMFW!

EastCoastMojo wrote: Some of y'all are really harshing my mello. Ease up in here.

I gots no mellow. I'm on the whiskey and a stirrin' up trouble. You best be turnin' up the Floyd for a few until the dust settles

mattm wrote: ....What we don't have is a set of facts and due to the lack of an indictment nobody will even get the sit and listen to both sides and adjudicate what the ACTUAL facts may be.

Honestly bud, you are hurling a lot of insult here. Really out of line (I know, others have thrown a few), no need to make it worse. NOT the kind of discourse we like here, and a good path to get this thread locked (which it probably should be at this point) or yourself banned.

I know I should probably not ask, but what exactly is your "version" of the events? (without insults if you can). I posted a link to the facts as presented to the grand jury a while back in the thread. Do you dispute those? There is certainly some leeway in the events, and I am sure that is not ALL of it, but there are also some pretty solid pieces of evidence.

BTW - I am the one that pointed out the Dr's mistake about the fracture, so I am certainly willing to point out any misconceptions or errors I notice.

Mattm … chill out … no if, ands, or buts … chill out

you're typically a good guy, but this obviously has got you wound up …. please dial it back

there can't be this level of anger on this board … there just can't … if you're this upset about what's being posted on this thread … DON'T READ IT …. please

mattm wrote:

Swank Force One wrote:

mattm wrote: In reply to yamaha: Since Indiana was the place of the last public lynching of a black man in the USA, you can reiterate an explanation. Lets let that sink in for those unfortunate enough to live in that worhless hole of a state.

You... .... ... You live in Ohio. Isn't that state usually used as the example in the dictionary for "Flyover State?" Let's not cast stones whilst living in glass houses, shall we?

Don't get me wrong, Ohio is a complete E36 M3hole as well. Less of a hole than Indiana, but a turd filled hole nonetheless. I did live elsewhere in better times. Either way, Ohio has Mid Ohio Sports Car Course which is the only place in the state that is worthy of notice. I hope to have a small amount of my ashes spread there. The rest will be spread outside of "flyover country.' (your terms not mine)

Actually, like normal, you're wrong.

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/12/03/the-best-and-worst-run-states-in-america-a-survey-of-all-50-3/

Indiana ranks midpack at 27, Ohio at the bottom end at 37. Nice try though. Looks like trolly mctroll is doing his best "ban me" impersonation.

In reply to Bobzilla:

I'm from Ohio, the good part, not Toledo

I don't miss it. I'm glad I left. Nothing good ever came from Ohio.

Just felt like piling on Ohio.

Ohio pushed me down and took my lollipop once.

mattm is doing this thread wrong. He hasn't even posted his favorite pie yet.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

jsquared wrote: If an order were given to go after our own citizens within our borders, that order would not be followed by 90% or more of the people in my branch, from private to colonel (or higher). We are not expected to follow unlawful orders.

So, you are saying that if asked to use force against a group of American citizens you would be insubordinate? At what level? A family like Ruby Ridge? A small commune like Waco? Or does it have to be a whole town like Wounded Knee? At what point do you say to your superior officer... berkeley this E36 M3 man! Because they are always commies, socialists, terrorists... first. It's always the label, then the action. Nobody attacks a group of native americans or a sovereign nation like Iraq without some pre-planning. How do you know when the bad guys are really bad if you don't just follow the orders?

It's not insubordination when the order is unlawful. I honestly don't ever expect something as (generally) unlawful as the US armed forces invading an American city would even make it down to my echelon. An unlawful order is just that: unlawful. That doesn't mean we can tell someone to pound sand because we think something is unlawful, but it is incumbent upon us to be able to recognize when something is unlawful. And while we better be darn sure we are in the right when refusing an order, because the consequences of berking it up are pretty harsh, we can still be held accountable if we follow an unlawful order blindly (think Nuremburg Trials). The US military, by law, cannot be used to police American citizens on American soil (Posse Comitatus). The Nat'l Guard can be used in these scenarios because it is subordinate to the state gov't, not federal... in theory at least. That could spawn a whole new thread, though.

Basically, very few servicemembers wouldn't be launching red flags if they received an order involving ops on US soil. If there is a terrorist on US soil, it's not the DoD's job anymore, it falls on DHS, FBI, etc. It becomes a law enforcement issue. Ruby Ridge and Waco were law enforcement, not the military. Wounded Knee is a whole other can of worms, though

Oh Illinois...

lol

The_Jed wrote: Oh Illinois... lol

Are you surprised? I know I wasn't.

In reply to Bobzilla:

Honestly I am a bit surprised. I knew we'd be near the bottom, I didn't know we would BE the bottom. But, I suppose any time the state government is so rife with corruption it makes the mafia say, "Yous are a buncha crooks!" a bottom rung rating should be expected.

We need a Mississippi.