RWB?

One article on the trend:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/11/hide-your-aircooled-porsches-because-rwb-is-raping-every-one-out-there/

...the rest of the story unwinds as so: guy buys Porsche 964 Turbo and has Japanese guy hack out some hideous-looking bodywork, drop that bitch into the weeds, and basically turn what was a very complete and satisfying performance car into a rolling caricature. The car is then taken to SEMA so the tribe of mildly retarded sideways-ballcap mooks who clutter this country’s unemployment lists and convenience-store parking lots can crown Scotto as their king.

Yay or nay?

I actually have a "response" post to that on Hooniverse coming up in two days.

First of all, the guy is hideously misinformed.

Hack said: We are fast approaching the day when there will be more Cayennes on the road than aircooled Porsches of all kinds.

That day was some time in 2008... There were only 200,000 aircooled Porsches of any kind ever (that includes 914, 912, and 356 by the way), and they produce about 40,000 Cayennes per year...

Secondly, Scotto's car is HIS CAR. Why should he care what anyone thinks?

Thirdly, the Illest "Pandora One" car started life as a bog standard Carrera 4, not a 965.

"Meh".

Also, his comments about Uwe Gemballa were disrespectful, and in poor taste.

Nobody EVER rips on Alois Ruf.

He faintly praises Rinspeed in his piece...yet tears down Akira Nakai and Uwe Gemballa.

Rinspeed is responsible for this...

Hack also says... said: Gemballa himself never really appeared to develop anything even remotely resembling an aesthetic sense

I do not agree with him. I LOVE the Mirage GT, and would kill to drive one! The sound alone makes me melt inside

DukeOfUndersteer wrote:

Hack also says... said: Gemballa himself never really appeared to develop anything even remotely resembling an aesthetic sense

I do not agree with him. I LOVE the Mirage GT, and would kill to drive one! The sound alone makes me melt inside

It's correct to say, "Hack also says." No need for "said." Yes, grammar is really dumb.

I don't like the RWB cars at all, but Baruth, hack or not, was pretty far off base with that article. People really ought not get riled up over what others do to their cars. Until someone tries to do that sort of thing to a car I own, I'm content just saying that I think it's ugly and moving on with my day.

In reply to MG Bryan:

forgot it auto fills the "Said"

In reply to DukeOfUndersteer:

I'm just really bored and didn't have very much to actually contribute.

Maroon92 wrote: There were only 200,000 aircooled Porsches of any kind ever (that includes 914, 912, and 356 by the way), and they produce about 40,000 Cayennes per year...

Where did that 200,000 number come from? I'm not implying it's not correct; I'm just not able to find verification.

MG Bryan wrote:

Maroon92 wrote: There were only 200,000 aircooled Porsches of any kind ever (that includes 914, 912, and 356 by the way), and they produce about 40,000 Cayennes per year...

Where did that 200,000 number come from? I'm not implying it's not correct; I'm just not able to find verification.

I happen to have a book that has all production numbers, and I happen to be able to do simple addition...especially when calculators are involved.

Maroon92 wrote:

MG Bryan wrote:

Maroon92 wrote: There were only 200,000 aircooled Porsches of any kind ever (that includes 914, 912, and 356 by the way), and they produce about 40,000 Cayennes per year...

Where did that 200,000 number come from? I'm not implying it's not correct; I'm just not able to find verification.

I happen to have a book that has all production numbers, and I happen to be able to do simple addition...especially when calculators are involved.

I'm genuinely interested to know which book the number came from though. I'm willing to bet it's a better source than the numbers floating around on the internet, but my calculator is coming with just over 350,000 based on those internet figures.

MG Bryan wrote:

Maroon92 wrote:

MG Bryan wrote:

Maroon92 wrote: There were only 200,000 aircooled Porsches of any kind ever (that includes 914, 912, and 356 by the way), and they produce about 40,000 Cayennes per year...

Where did that 200,000 number come from? I'm not implying it's not correct; I'm just not able to find verification.

I happen to have a book that has all production numbers, and I happen to be able to do simple addition...especially when calculators are involved.

I'm genuinely interested to know which book the number came from though. I'm willing to bet it's a better source than the numbers floating around on the internet, but my calculator is coming with just over 350,000 based on those internet figures.

Maroon92 wrote:

MG Bryan wrote:

Maroon92 wrote:

MG Bryan wrote:

Maroon92 wrote: There were only 200,000 aircooled Porsches of any kind ever (that includes 914, 912, and 356 by the way), and they produce about 40,000 Cayennes per year...

Where did that 200,000 number come from? I'm not implying it's not correct; I'm just not able to find verification.

I happen to have a book that has all production numbers, and I happen to be able to do simple addition...especially when calculators are involved.

I'm genuinely interested to know which book the number came from though. I'm willing to bet it's a better source than the numbers floating around on the internet, but my calculator is coming with just over 350,000 based on those internet figures.

1963 901 13 1964-67 911 10,723 1967-69 911S 5,056 1968-69 911T 6,318 1968 911L 11,610 1969 911E 2,826 1970-71 911T 15,082 1970-71 911E 4,927 1970-71 911S 4,691 1972-73 911T 16,933 1972-73 911E 4,406 1972-73 911S 5,094 1973 911 Carrera RS2.7 1,590 1974 911 Carrera RS3.0 109 1974-77 911 17,260 1974-77 911S 17,124 1974-75 911 Carrera 3,353 1974-77 911 Turbo 3,227 1976-77 911 Carrera 3,691 1978-89 911 Turbo 17,425 1978-83 911SC 57,972 1984-89 911 Carrera 49,629 1984 911SC/RS 20 1987-88 959 283 1989 911 (C3.2, turbo, 964 Carrera 4) 16,488 1990 911 17,768 1991 911 (non turbo) 20,072 1991-92 911 Turbo 3,808 1991 911 Carrera RS 2,398 1992 911 12,415 1992 911 Turbo S 80 1993 911 7,265 From 1993 911 Turbo 3.6 75 1993 911 Jubilee Model 600 1994 911 (964 & 993) 12,128 1995 911 14,647 1996 911 21,602 1997 911 15,972

If I use excel to add those up, I actually get 404,680. That's only counting 911s. Where did they go so wrong in their data? As far as I can tell there were 30,000 912s made, which would also seem to need to be very wrong if your 200,000 number is true.

It confuses me that there could be such a disparity in the information available regarding Porsche's production numbers.

Edit: That was formatted nicely until I hit the "Add Post" button.

MG Bryan wrote: 1963 901 13 1964-67 911 10,723 1967-69 911S 5,056 1968-69 911T 6,318 1968 911L 11,610 1969 911E 2,826 1970-71 911T 15,082 1970-71 911E 4,927 1970-71 911S 4,691 1972-73 911T 16,933 1972-73 911E 4,406 1972-73 911S 5,094 1973 911 Carrera RS2.7 1,590 1974 911 Carrera RS3.0 109 1974-77 911 17,260 1974-77 911S 17,124 1974-75 911 Carrera 3,353 1974-77 911 Turbo 3,227 1976-77 911 Carrera 3,691 1978-89 911 Turbo 17,425 1978-83 911SC 57,972 1984-89 911 Carrera 49,629 1984 911SC/RS 20 1987-88 959 283 1989 911 (C3.2, turbo, 964 Carrera 4) 16,488 1990 911 17,768 1991 911 (non turbo) 20,072 1991-92 911 Turbo 3,808 1991 911 Carrera RS 2,398 1992 911 12,415 1992 911 Turbo S 80 1993 911 7,265 From 1993 911 Turbo 3.6 75 1993 911 Jubilee Model 600 1994 911 (964 & 993) 12,128 1995 911 14,647 1996 911 21,602 1997 911 15,972 Edit: That was formatted nicely until I hit the "Add Post" button.

Fixed.

To make a list like that, double-space at the end of each line.

In reply to Salanis:

Much obliged.

I could be misremembering. When I get to the office, I will look at my data again. I also put it into an Excel file, so it's saved on my work computer.

Yep, I was the one that was wrong. There are around 600,000 aircooled cars made, of which, only about 339,000 are 911s, but I would venture that less than 2/3rds of them are still on the road.

I did the research a couple of months ago, and I must've added something wrong.

I still, however, contend that there are more Cayennes on the road than there are aircooleds.

I like the RWB cars.

Quite a few of them are actually used on the track, they look different in an awesome sort of way, and i can respect anyone willing to hack up a 911 like that.

I read an article/interview with that dude a year or so back, and the cars have the piss driven out of them. They're always dirty, covered in rock chips, and hell, he daily drives one.

So who cares?

Ehh... I look at these as a restomod kind of thing.

Older car with a modern look... and I do like the way they look.

I can only assume the writer is referring to the RWB that Ken Block brought to SEMA........I do find that new [hoonigan] "brand" pretty annoying

It's a Porsche with a widebody kit and a big, obnoxious, but probably easily removed wing. What's the big deal?

In reply to MadScientistMatt:

I would put that bumper on my 964 in a heartbeat if they were not priced like they were made from tanned unicorn hide.

Maroon92 wrote: Yep, I was the one that was wrong. There are around 600,000 aircooled cars made, of which, only about 339,000 are 911s, but I would venture that less than 2/3rds of them are still on the road. I did the research a couple of months ago, and I must've added something wrong. I still, however, contend that there are more Cayennes on the road than there are aircooleds.

When you said 200,000 it made me curious to know if Porsches were really quite that rare. I couldn't care less about Cayennes Thanks for clearing up the numbers for me.

The Green Pandora One car is one the cars that rotates on my background here at work.

I like his cars. Guys like that should get out and drive instead of sitting over a compy being angry all day.

I don't like to bag on people in my own industry, but I will say that I hope Jack Baruth's actual life is not as sad as his writing would lead you to believe.

Also, I grow so weary of the "my arbitrary tastes in modifying and enjoying cars > your arbitrary tastes in modifying and enjoying cars" argument. At the end of the day, it's all made up bullcrap we're doing to have fun. Who cares where someone gets their kicks.

Imagine this hypothetical conversation:

Guy 1: "These coil-overs and R-compound tires helped me win a trophy at my local autocross."

Guy 2: "These 26-inch spinning rims got me laid."

I would say both argue from positions of strength.

Also, for the record, I know Brian Scotto. He's a rather imposing figure at about 6'7" tall. I first met him at the Lotus Exige press preview (I'll pause a second while you do the Exige math vs. the 6'7" math...). Honestly, I was fairly guilty of judging the book by its cover as well. The beard was a little too perfectly trimmed, and the flat billed Adidas cap was a bit too perfectly, incorrectly angled. But when he proceeded to bend me over and jail rape me with his knowledge of early air-cooled VWs, including the Scirocco he was building at various garages in Brooklyn (since he had to constantly move it because, well, Brooklyn), I knew I had radically misunderestimated his true proclivities.

Bottom line: When someone expresses themselves through a car—regardless of how they do it—it's good for all of us who enjoy cars.

jg

Can some explain what this thread is about? I am so lost.