Secret No Fly Zone?

This is the NOTAM (Notice to Airmen) issued by the FAA. "Strongly advised" justifies a night in jail?

I understand the words and agree with its intent, however ........

FAA said: 4/0811 ...SPECIAL NOTICE... THIS IS A RESTATEMENT OF A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED ADVISORY NOTICE. IN THE INTEREST OF NATIONAL SECURITY AND TO THE EXTENT PRACTICABLE, PILOTS ARE STRONGLY ADVISED TO AVOID THE AIRSPACE ABOVE, OR IN PROXIMITY TO SUCH SITES AS POWER PLANTS (NUCLEAR, HYDRO-ELECTRIC, OR COAL), DAMS, REFINERIES, INDUSTRIAL COMPLEXES, MILITARY FACILITIES AND OTHER SIMILAR FACILITIES. PILOTS SHOULD NOT CIRCLE AS TO LOITER IN THE VICINITY OVER THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES. WIE UNTIL UFN

oldtin wrote: There's a quote - can't remember who it's from - basically goes "I have never seen a situation so dismal that a policeman couldn't make it worse."

Yep. Just ask SVReX.

edit - Apologies to my former and current LEO friends for the cheap jab, on this board or otherwise. You guys are cool, just venting some pent-up frustration with past treatment in the same geographical area. Carry on.

Begs the question.. If the ignorant local police officers HAD opened fire on an aloft aircraft, just what would the FAA (or insert other govt agency) have done?

Theres some areas of avaition that the local-state-federal lines seem blurred.

Do avaition laws change by state, or are they overseen by federal law only?

In reply to Apexcarver:

Hopefully all the officers would be charged with negligence for shooting into the air......bullets land somewhere(granted its been proven unlikely to be fatal), but still. Not bashing officers, the bad ones do need rooted out though.

I have never heard of a secret no fly zone. There are TFRs (temporary flight restrictions) that are put in place when big shot politicians are travelling, big stadium events and many atomic powerplants. As a pilot you are informed of these when you get a preflight briefing from a Flight Service briefer. There are also maps that show them. If you ask the brifer for the TFRs and he fouls up you have a much better chance of not getting in trouble than if you look at a map and do not see the TFR.

I am betting it was the "loitering" part that got them all in a tizzy.. never mind that a glider has to "loiter" to get enough altitude to continue on.

I bet all the concrete they make nuke plants out of makes for a big lift area too

914Driver wrote: This is the NOTAM (Notice to Airmen) issued by the FAA. "Strongly advised" justifies a night in jail? I understand the words and agree with its intent, however ........

FAA said: 4/0811 ...SPECIAL NOTICE... THIS IS A RESTATEMENT OF A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED ADVISORY NOTICE. IN THE INTEREST OF NATIONAL SECURITY AND TO THE EXTENT PRACTICABLE, PILOTS ARE STRONGLY ADVISED TO AVOID THE AIRSPACE ABOVE, OR IN PROXIMITY TO SUCH SITES AS POWER PLANTS (NUCLEAR, HYDRO-ELECTRIC, OR COAL), DAMS, REFINERIES, INDUSTRIAL COMPLEXES, MILITARY FACILITIES AND OTHER SIMILAR FACILITIES. PILOTS SHOULD NOT CIRCLE AS TO LOITER IN THE VICINITY OVER THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES. WIE UNTIL UFN

Hmm... This includes my facility. I'm forcing the next helicopter that flies over to land. That damn police one just jeeps buzzing over. I think he's a terrorist.

Datsun1500 wrote:

yamaha wrote: In reply to Apexcarver: Hopefully all the officers would be charged with negligence for shooting into the air......bullets land somewhere(granted its been proven unlikely to be fatal), but still.

10 year old girl in MD was killed New Years Eve by a bullet shot into the air....

Unlikely. Not impossible. I'm sure some definitions can be quoted for you.

N Sperlo wrote:

Datsun1500 wrote:

yamaha wrote: In reply to Apexcarver: Hopefully all the officers would be charged with negligence for shooting into the air......bullets land somewhere(granted its been proven unlikely to be fatal), but still.

10 year old girl in MD was killed New Years Eve by a bullet shot into the air....

Unlikely. Not impossible. I'm sure some definitions can be quoted for you.

The biggest difference is angle versus straight up.....which I'll admit, I failed to differentiate. A bullet fired at a 45* angle is still rather dangerous(velocity + gravity comes into play)......most rounds fired straight up(vertical) rely on terminal velocity of gravity coming back down and shouldn't be fatal.....its something around 75ish mph....it'll hurt, but shouldn't be fatal.

In reply to yamaha:

Maybe not exactly, but correct. Around here they are careless. Thats why I'm happy too work 1st shift.

ELKTON, Md. (WJZ)—The heartbreak gets worse for a Cecil County family. A 10-year-old girl struck by a stray bullet fired in the air during New Year’s celebrations has died. Police are still searching for the person who fired the fatal shot.

Mike Hellgren has reaction from the young victim’s family.

Her family says she was taken off of life support Thursday morning, and her organs have been donated.

As loved ones grieved for 10-year-old Aaliyah Boyer, police searched door-to-door in the Cecil County neighborhood where she was shot, looking for the person who fired a gun into the air. A stray bullet hit her in the head.

Her family wants justice.

“They need to pay for what they did, for all these people that they hurt,” said Crystal Blackburn, Aaliyah’s mother. “She was just having fun, watching fireworks outside with her family, celebrating the New Year.”

Police are searching an approximate 5 mile radius around AJS Court in Elkton.

“We’re looking for anybody’s help, anybody who knows who may have been firing gunshots, specifically what addresses, people, anything of that nature,” said Lt. Michael Holmes, Cecil County Sheriff’s Office.

Witnesses report hearing lots of gunfire on New Year’s Eve.

Police are working with firearm experts. They will recover that bullet and see if it matches any registered guns in the area.

“This is just a horrific incident, something that we’ve never experienced here in Cecil County,” Holmes said.

Aaliyah’s family has been dealing with other setbacks. Their Pennsylvania home was broken into while they were at her side at the hospital. They were robbed of their Christmas gifts.

And they believe people they don’t know have been trying to solicit money for a fake fund on Facebook.

“It’s a shame that something so tragic is happening and other people are trying to profit from it,” said Luzdelia Boyer, Aaliyah’s aunt.

But the little girl will live on. Her organs have been donated to other children.

“We had until 10 o’clock to be with her. Within minutes after we all left the room, she brought another little girl back to life,” said Richard Lindsey, Aaliyah’s grandfather.

“It’s such a tragedy. We could not have had better support from the people in this community,” said Sherri Blackburn, Aaliyah’s grandmother.

yamaha wrote: terminal velocity of gravity coming back down and shouldn't be fatal.....its something around 75ish mph....it'll hurt, but shouldn't be fatal.

Terminal velocity 9.8 meters per second squared, which is about 22mph. So yeah, even less fatal than you thought.

In reply to 16vCorey:

touche, theres another few variables IIRC.

16vCorey wrote:

yamaha wrote: terminal velocity of gravity coming back down and shouldn't be fatal.....its something around 75ish mph....it'll hurt, but shouldn't be fatal.

Terminal velocity 9.8 meters per second squared, which is about 22mph. So yeah, even less fatal than you thought.

No 9.8 meters per second squared is an acceleration. The terminal velocity is based on mass of the object, the coefficient of drag and density of the fluid the object is falling in.

In reply to spitfirebill:

I had something similar to that as a Midterm case in my forensics class(based on a real case my instructor had solved), ended up being an accidental shooting by a family member and a coverup to be able to get insurance money.

93EXCivic wrote:

16vCorey wrote:

yamaha wrote: terminal velocity of gravity coming back down and shouldn't be fatal.....its something around 75ish mph....it'll hurt, but shouldn't be fatal.

Terminal velocity 9.8 meters per second squared, which is about 22mph. So yeah, even less fatal than you thought.

No 9.8 meters per second squared is an acceleration. The terminal velocity is based on mass of the object, the coefficient of drag and density of the fluid the object is falling in.

You're right. I'm a little foggy today, and high school physics was a LONG time ago. My mistake.

16vCorey wrote:

93EXCivic wrote:

16vCorey wrote:

yamaha wrote: terminal velocity of gravity coming back down and shouldn't be fatal.....its something around 75ish mph....it'll hurt, but shouldn't be fatal.

Terminal velocity 9.8 meters per second squared, which is about 22mph. So yeah, even less fatal than you thought.

No 9.8 meters per second squared is an acceleration. The terminal velocity is based on mass of the object, the coefficient of drag and density of the fluid the object is falling in.

You're right. I'm a little foggy today, and high school physics was a LONG time ago. My mistake.

Never fear Enginerd to rescue.

I know some of what you know......I just said EFF the engineering process and got bounced from the engineering program for using, checking, and proving my correct answers on my final with simple algebra.....the professor(who was an HVAC engineer) claimed I must have cheated.....that's been close to a decade now, so I too am a bit rusty.