Shooting at Empire State Building

Bobzilla wrote: Someone must not have told the gunman that guns are not allowed in NYC. Had he known, this would have never happened.

LMAO. You ant' right.

oldsaw wrote: Just how would your recipe address the "larger problem"?

Bulldozers. Hazmat suits. Machine guns.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

oldsaw wrote: Just how would your recipe address the "larger problem"?

Bulldozers. Hazmat suits. Machine guns.

Hrm.... must hear more of this plan.

Bobzilla wrote:

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

oldsaw wrote: Just how would your recipe address the "larger problem"?

Bulldozers. Hazmat suits. Machine guns.

Hrm.... must hear more of this plan.

I am sure at some point this man will be involved in this plan...

Bobzilla wrote:

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

oldsaw wrote: Just how would your recipe address the "larger problem"?

Bulldozers. Hazmat suits. Machine guns.

Hrm.... must hear more of this plan.

I think that plan has already been implemented: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-garrison/martial-law-under-another_b_1370819.html

If somebody is really motivated to kill somebody else, the law isn't going to stop them. Otherwise, they wouldn't be trying to kill people.

I happen to think that if guns are outlawed, we're going to see a lot more stabbings. Violence is cultural, guns are just a means to an end.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

fast_eddie_72 wrote: While this is a terrible event, I would like to say, I hope this incident involving a lone gunman isn’t used as an excuse to introduce anti-gun legislation. This is an isolated incident. By itself, this does not show in any way that there is a pattern of gun violence indicating that it is too easy for angry, deranged or crazy people to get their hands on weapons. How quickly we forget. We heard the same irresponsible calls after the shootings at the Sikh temple in Wisconsin. A terrible tragedy, to be sure, but I hope it won’t be used as an excuse for anti-gun legislation. Like the shooting at the Empire State Building today, it was an isolated incident. By itself, it does not show in any way that there is a pattern of gun violence indicating that it is too easy for angry, deranged or crazy people to get their hands on weapons. Very much like the shootings at the Aurora movie theater. As we all know, this was the act of one person and it is tragic. Like the Wisconsin shootings and the shootings this morning, it was an isolated incident. By itself, it does not show in any way that there is a pattern of gun violence indicating that it is too easy for angry, deranged or crazy people to get their hands on weapons. The same irresponsible cries were heard after the Virginia Tech shootings last year. Clearly, this was the act of one man. An individual who did something absolutely tragic. Like the Aurora shootings, the Wisconsin shootings, and the shootings this morning, it was an isolated incident. But by itself, it does not show in any way that there is a pattern of gun violence indicating that it is too easy for angry, deranged or crazy people to get their hands on weapons. Just like the tragic shootings last year in Arizona that killed four and injured Gabrielle Giffords. People then had the same knee jerk reaction suggesting that we needed more anti-gun laws. I’d like to remind everyone that this was the action of one crazy person. Like the Virginia Tech shootings, the Aurora shootings, the Wisconsin shootings and the shootings this morning, it was an isolated incident. By itself, it does not show in any way that there is a pattern of gun violence indicating that it is too easy for angry, deranged or crazy people to get their hands on weapons. I hope this will put to rest, once and for all, the irresponsible politicization of this tragic event. We hear the same tired cries after every mass shooting. Mass shootings happen all the time in the U.S. There’s nothing special about this one. Remember, this is one event. An isolated incident. Please stop trying to paint it as part of a larger problem that needs to be addressed.

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In reply to Brett_Murphy:

Yeah, I bet we would see more stabbings. Maybe. Stabbing someone is a lot harder to do than shooting them. But point taken.

But I bet we wouldn't wake up to news that someone opened knife killing a theater full of movie patrons. There's a reason why the term "mass stabbing" isn't in the popular vernacular.

I should say, 'cause that makes it sound like I want to ban guns, that I think guns are neat and fun to shoot. I have no desire to ban guns. Just don't like the idea that we're not allowed to even suggest that we may wanna take a look at things when there's been so many of these events in the recent past. I'm not pushing any agenda. I just want the political leaders to, you know, lead a little. Maybe come up with an idea or two about how we might get a handle on this. It's a cop out for one side to say "don't exploit this tragedy for political gain!" and the other side, happy to not have to actually do anything, says "okay!" Uh, maybe someone needs to speak up a little. You know, there are ideas somewhere between "ban the guns" and "no limitations at all!" Wouldn't know it to hear any politicians (or most Americans) though.

In reply to Karl La Follette:

So, I should have included some pictures?

this is a topic /tragic event where I really think is not going to be solved or ever solutioniized here ?

fast_eddie_72 wrote: In reply to Brett_Murphy: Yeah, I bet we would see more stabbings. Maybe. Stabbing someone is a lot harder to do than shooting them. But point taken. But I bet we wouldn't wake up to news that someone opened knife killing a theater full of movie patrons. There's a reason why the term "mass stabbing" isn't in the popular vernacular.

Cough Cough I'll just leave this here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

and this here

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2012/06/06/five-stabbed-downtown-boston-within-three-minutes-this-afternoon/Gjp2iHtsCuPTAMyS1verjL/story.html

rebelgtp wrote: I am sure at some point this man will be involved in this plan...

I heard he was dead...

rebelgtp wrote:

fast_eddie_72 wrote: In reply to Brett_Murphy: Yeah, I bet we would see more stabbings. Maybe. Stabbing someone is a lot harder to do than shooting them. But point taken. But I bet we wouldn't wake up to news that someone opened knife killing a theater full of movie patrons. There's a reason why the term "mass stabbing" isn't in the popular vernacular.

*Cough Cough* I'll just leave this here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre and this here http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2012/06/06/five-stabbed-downtown-boston-within-three-minutes-this-afternoon/Gjp2iHtsCuPTAMyS1verjL/story.html

Ah, yes. This is the part of the conversation where we start posting links that are supposed to support "our side". Well, I posted all I had to say on "my side", which isn't really representative of any large group if polls on the matter are right. But not wanting to break with the time honored internet tradition of posting a link in response to your links, I submit this.

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

In reply to fast_eddie_72:

So you say basically there is no such thing as "mass stabbings" because you don't hear about it on the news. Someone posts up a couple of links showing hey mass stabbings do exist yet you insist they are "isolated example" by the use of your link. Heck all of those shootings were isolated incidents as well, they had nothing to do with each other except for the fact they were people screwed up in the head killing innocent people. Didn't someone already say all these incidents were isolated?

Here I will one up you http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mass+stabbing

feel better now?

The shootings had one thing in common. They happened in a country with more guns per capita than any other and a country that sees events like this on a routine basis, unlike most countries. I'm only suggesting that those two facts are related.

I did not say, basically or otherwise, that there is no such thing as mass stabbings. I suggested that there is a reason why you don't often hear about them. That reason being, it's much, much (much) easier to kill a large number of people with guns than knives. And, honestly, is that a point worth arguing? You don't have to contradict me only because you think I'm posting something your clan would object to. But post me a link where a mass stabbing killed 12 and injured 58 others and I'll reconsider my position. The incidents I posted happened in a two year span. I didn't have to go to 11 years ago and another continent to find a second.

However, I would ask you to again look at my post and consider my point- which is only that it might be a good idea to take a look at any solutions that may exist to what seems to be a pattern that I think everyone can agree is bad. I'm not calling for a ban on guns (or kitchen knives).

in before lock.....

JoeyM wrote: in before lock.....

If you say so. Yeah. There I go, suggesting guns are good for killing people. Talk about radical, stirring the pot ideas. Fine. I'll leave again.

fast_eddie_72 wrote:

JoeyM wrote: in before lock.....

If you say so. Yeah. There I go, suggesting guns are good for killing people. Talk about radical, stirring the pot ideas. Fine. I'll leave again.

No, you suggested our leaders are cowed by the NRA and don't ever talk about gun control. People for gun control talk loudly about gun control and people against it talk loudly the other way. It is far from one sided. Leaders "Leading" as you suggested is usually another way of saying more regulation. You opened the door for a gun regulations argument by suggesting it is our governments fault things like this happen because they are listening to stupid arguments by NRA types.

MrJoshua wrote: No, you suggested our leaders are cowed by the NRA and don't ever talk about gun control. People for gun control talk loudly about gun control and people against it talk loudly the other way. It is far from one sided. Leaders "Leading" as you suggested is usually another way of saying more regulation. You opened the door for a gun regulations argument by suggesting it is our governments fault things like this happen because they are listening to stupid arguments by NRA types.

Yeaahhhhno.

Here's the point I was making. . . . .(big space - edit- read next post. space needs to be much bigger) . . . . Here's you.

And there are even more knives, cars, or baseball bats in the country than there are guns. Fast food kills more people every year than guns do. Of course every single one of these elements does have one thing in common. Every single one of them requires someone to use them in the manner you seem to think everyone uses them for.

Also a reason to post about mass stabbings in Japan is because as many would love for it to be here guns are not aloud. So when someone goes nuts they still find a way to kill others if they really want to. People have killed each other long before guns and will long after guns.

rebelgtp wrote: Also a reason to post about mass stabbings in Japan is because as many would love for it to be here guns are not aloud. So when someone goes nuts they still find a way to kill others if they really want to.

....and it is a slippery slope, because after they took the guns away in the UK, then the tabloid press started screaming about the rise in knife murders, wanting something to be done about it.

Shadow Home Affairs minister James Brokenshire urged automatic jail for knife possession. He said: “It may be harsh, but it is necessary. “Lives are being lost and others ruined by Labour’s failure to deal with knife crime.” Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/justice/2075434/Stabbing-deaths-are-the-worst-ever-after-UK-crime-figures-show-six-people-are-killed-by-knife-crime-each-week.html#ixzz24WO12s5i

follow that link and you'll even find a nifty petition because SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!!!

JohnRW1621 wrote: Wally, are you okay?

Fine, I'm working uptown this week and next. The news I had on here never implied he was middle eastern or a tea partier this time. They were guessing disgruntled employee from the start. As far as gun laws it's already pretty much illegal to even say the word here so I don't see how one more law would stop something like this. As it is when a cop suspects a kid is carrying a gun, searches him and finds a gun the judges turn the kid loose for having is rights violated no matter how many arrests they may have.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/04/nyregion/appeals-court-throws-out-2nd-gun-conviction-in-stop-and-frisk-case.html

The boy, identified in court papers as “Jaquan M.,” was arrested on Aug. 10, 2010, after officers watched him in an area of the South Bronx troubled by illegal drug activity.

Just after 9:30 p.m., the officers said, they saw the boy nervously transfer a white object from the waistband of his pants to his backpack. They thought the object could be a gun because it had been in the boy’s waistband and because of how gingerly he handled it.The judges ruled that those observations did not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion required to search someone.

The officers asked the boy for papers showing his name, and he allowed them to look in his backpack for papers. One officer found the white object — a bag containing a firearm.

In Family Court, where the proceedings were held because of the boy’s age, he was found to have held the weapon illegally and was placed on 15 months probation. The appellate judge overturned that conviction and penalty

^^^ Those judges are causing me pain

poopshovel wrote:

+100.

It's funny, because no matter what happens in this thread, it will not have any bearing on anything. No ones opinion will change, and for sure it won't change anything politically. And for some reason I just read the whole thing. I have Miata parts to go sell.

Joey