mtn said:I know it isn't the point of the thread, but is there anyone here who is actually against federal legalization?
I'm not certain anyone actually breathing is but there certainly are a lot of specific politicians who are afraid to touch on the subject.
aircooled said:Frenchy. Look into CBD. I believe that is the primary aspect of pot that helps pain. I don't think the THC part will help much, unless she wants the high.
CBD can easily be had in non-smoking form. Tinctures etc.
Interesting, I again I hope it's relavent. I was thinking of getting my sister some Gummies. Drive to Colorado and get them.
My sister isn't a smoker. Won't touch anything smoking. She's not wanting to get high, just deal with the pain.
So I should look for Gummies with High CBD?
Nicole Suddard said:GameboyRMH said:
AAZCD-Jon (Forum Supporter) said:
They brought it up a decade or two ago, but there is a lot of non-Scientology related information available now if you care to find it. I have to disagree with the "all traces back to..." at this point, especially having known people pretty well who I count as my data points.
You won't find anything backing that theory in any reputable scientific journal. The facts that:
1. Almost nobody on SSRIs is a mass shooter
2. Very few mass shooters were on SSRIs
3. The few mass shooters that were on SSRIs were given them because of pre-existing mental health issues
Should be enough to dispel any idea that SSRIs are a meaningful contributing factor. It would take a lot of picking and choosing of data and statistics to reach any other conclusion.
Yeah I've got a data point right here and it says SSRIs did not make me want to shoot anybody, most notably myself.
Anyway back to weed.
Here's another data point. My brief experience with SSRIs was exponentially scarier than any psychedelic drug trip I've ever had. Worst 4 days of my life, by far.
In reply to QuasiMofo (John Brown) :
How hard is it to go behind the garage?
GameboyRMH said:Kreb (Forum Supporter) said:The main negatives that I see to pot are the sort of impairment that can allow accidents (vehicular/work/domestic) to occur, and that it can drain one's ambition. Oh, and it stinks.
I wonder about the cause and effect of weed use and low ambition. Is it: Smoke weed --> THC directly atrophies the Ambition Gland(???) --> low ambition, or: finding that you're stuck on a cruel pointless treadmill in today's job market --> low ambition --> might as well smoke weed every day to make your crappy poverty-stricken life feel less awful.
Having come of age in the '80s, I think your smarmy second answer is pretty far off the mark. I knew plenty of people with great resources, prospects, and opportunities that chose to just get baked instead.
I think it's far more likely that pot just attracts/satisfies low-ambition types more heavily than it does other types.
Of course, I have known successful, active people who are also regular pot users. Not all users are identical.
In reply to mtn :
Where we were at very. Gated mountain resort with our rental literally cut into a hiside. 100% of the property was in view. I sent them to get ice daily after Wednesday.
Duke said:GameboyRMH said:Kreb (Forum Supporter) said:The main negatives that I see to pot are the sort of impairment that can allow accidents (vehicular/work/domestic) to occur, and that it can drain one's ambition. Oh, and it stinks.
I wonder about the cause and effect of weed use and low ambition. Is it: Smoke weed --> THC directly atrophies the Ambition Gland(???) --> low ambition, or: finding that you're stuck on a cruel pointless treadmill in today's job market --> low ambition --> might as well smoke weed every day to make your crappy poverty-stricken life feel less awful.
Having come of age in the '80s, I think your smarmy second answer is pretty far off the mark. I knew plenty of people with great resources, prospects, and opportunities that chose to just get baked instead.
I think it's far more likely that pot just attracts/satisfies low-ambition types more heavily than it does other types.
Of course, I have known successful, active people who are also regular pot users. Not all users are identical.
Definitely didn't mean to come off as smarmy, scenario 2 is a situation I can relate to through first-hand experience...
frenchyd said:VolvoHeretic said:As my friend's dad told me years ago, "That pot sure takes the wind out of your sails." He was right. Too much of a good thing is usually not that good. I have always said that, "Not everybody should smoke pot, but some people should be forced to." You know who (whom?) I'm talking about.
Back in the Navy my co-pilot got some Marijuana and I tried a couple of puffs, actually inhailing. All it did for me is give me a massive headache.
Try an edible THC-P (as apposed to THC) gummy which is supposidly legal in ND and MN. Cut the gummy in at least half the first time (10mg x .5 = 5 mg).
NationalReview.com: Minnesota Inadvertently Allows Unregulated Intoxicating Cannabis Edible Products
And, I don't think that THC actually removes pain, it just makes you not care as much based on my experience with merely chronic back pain.
Nicole Suddard said:GameboyRMH said:
AAZCD-Jon (Forum Supporter) said:
They brought it up a decade or two ago, but there is a lot of non-Scientology related information available now if you care to find it. I have to disagree with the "all traces back to..." at this point, especially having known people pretty well who I count as my data points.
You won't find anything backing that theory in any reputable scientific journal. The facts that:
1. Almost nobody on SSRIs is a mass shooter
2. Very few mass shooters were on SSRIs
3. The few mass shooters that were on SSRIs were given them because of pre-existing mental health issues
Should be enough to dispel any idea that SSRIs are a meaningful contributing factor. It would take a lot of picking and choosing of data and statistics to reach any other conclusion.
Yeah I've got a data point right here and it says SSRIs did not make me want to shoot anybody, most notably myself.
Anyway back to weed.
No doubt that a large number of people participating in this forum are on SSRIs and are better for taking them. I was only stating my personal opinion relative to 'weed' based on people close to me. I hadn't realized that it was a 'triggering' issue when I wrote the original post. Best I stay away from the social issue topics anyway. Aloha.
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:Steve_Jones said:I think there are a lot of myths about marijuana not being harmful or addicting. Most heavy users I know will tell you its not addicting, but do everything they can to be able to smoke every day, and get upset if they can't.
Where do potheads and weed experts get all their information?
Their dealers.
It's tongue in cheek, but I think a very true part of a lot of these myths.
That said, I'd be interested to know if legalizing actually changes the number of users significantly. We may not have had enough time yet to really see.
Every hop head my age was taught in school the effects of drugs, legal and illegal. Mental and physical addiction. Mental and physical effects.
This was done partially to dissuade students from using drugs, and the others to arm themselves with the knowledge of what they do and will do to you.
Our science teachers used actual, medical facts without societal bias.
Appleseed said:Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:Steve_Jones said:I think there are a lot of myths about marijuana not being harmful or addicting. Most heavy users I know will tell you its not addicting, but do everything they can to be able to smoke every day, and get upset if they can't.
Where do potheads and weed experts get all their information?
Their dealers.
It's tongue in cheek, but I think a very true part of a lot of these myths.
That said, I'd be interested to know if legalizing actually changes the number of users significantly. We may not have had enough time yet to really see.
Every hop head my age was taught in school the effects of drugs, legal and illegal. Mental and physical addiction. Mental and physical effects.
This was done partially to dissuade students from using drugs, and the others to arm themselves with the knowledge of what they do and will do to you.
Our science teachers used actual, medical facts without societal bias.
Our school education on pot was being forced to watch "Reefer Madness". Half of the class went out and got stoned right beforehand. My view on legal weed is that I don't really want state sponsored pot dispensaries selling it like cigarettes or booze. I just want the buying and selling of seeds, and growing and smoking it in your house to be decriminalized, and making drug testing for it illegal. Basically, just leave us alone.
frenchyd said:aircooled said:Frenchy. Look into CBD. I believe that is the primary aspect of pot that helps pain. I don't think the THC part will help much, unless she wants the high.
CBD can easily be had in non-smoking form. Tinctures etc.
Interesting, I again I hope it's relavent. I was thinking of getting my sister some Gummies. Drive to Colorado and get them.
My sister isn't a smoker. Won't touch anything smoking. She's not wanting to get high, just deal with the pain.
So I should look for Gummies with High CBD?
CBD is not controlled to nearly the same degree as products containing THC. You can buy CBD oils and tinctures in Ohio. Strong chance you can buy them wherever you are at as well.
Usually you're not looking at gummies. It's usually an oil or liquid.
I have a weird perspective in that I didn't get high until I was 39 years old. Never been a heavy drinker, but for a while I've been a consistent drinker. Like 1 or 2 light beers a night.
I didn't care for it a ton at first, but kept at it and got to where I really enjoy it. I smoke most nights now. But I try to keep it to only after the evening is done. It does kill my motivation. I try to stick to sativa strains, as the indicas make me way too mellow. And seem also to put me into a funk when I'm not high. It's certainly not addictive in the way of Jonesing for it when I don't have it, but most times I find myself thinking "this would be even more funner if I were high right now"
but whatever. 4 drunk guys will start a fight, 4 stoned guys will start a band.
I really like to get high and go for a strenuous hike.
and not having a hangover is awesome.
frenchyd said:aircooled said:Frenchy. Look into CBD. I believe that is the primary aspect of pot that helps pain. I don't think the THC part will help much, unless she wants the high.
CBD can easily be had in non-smoking form. Tinctures etc.
Interesting, I again I hope it's relavent. I was thinking of getting my sister some Gummies. Drive to Colorado and get them.
My sister isn't a smoker. Won't touch anything smoking. She's not wanting to get high, just deal with the pain.
So I should look for Gummies with High CBD?
Can't answer the CBD question.
But I am pretty sure you don't need to go as far as Colorado. Illinois is a "legal" state as is Michigan. Dunno about Wisconsin or Iowa though I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of them are too.
In reply to joey48442 :
I never tried pot until my 30's. I'm only very occasional pot usage. I tend to like hybrid strains and just chill and listen to music and sip a gin and tonic.
My trouble is how long the pot high tends to last for. I don't sleep as well until the effects wear off, so I have to smoke earlier in the afternoon. But it has to be after I'm done with anything important for the day. Cooking and light cleaning is about the most productive I could be while high.
I tend to like vape pens so that I can take very small doses. A small hit off a pen is better for taking the edge off when I'm anxious than alcohol.
VolvoHeretic said:frenchyd said:VolvoHeretic said:As my friend's dad told me years ago, "That pot sure takes the wind out of your sails." He was right. Too much of a good thing is usually not that good. I have always said that, "Not everybody should smoke pot, but some people should be forced to." You know who (whom?) I'm talking about.
Back in the Navy my co-pilot got some Marijuana and I tried a couple of puffs, actually inhailing. All it did for me is give me a massive headache.
Try an edible THC-P (as apposed to THC) gummy which is supposidly legal in ND and MN. Cut the gummy in at least half the first time (10mg x .5 = 5 mg).
NationalReview.com: Minnesota Inadvertently Allows Unregulated Intoxicating Cannabis Edible Products
And, I don't think that THC actually removes pain, it just makes you not care as much based on my experience with merely chronic back pain.
I believe that's the way most painkillers work.
Fueled by Caffeine said:bobzilla said:Toyman! said:Fueled by Caffeine said:Even countries with universal health care struggle with incorporating mental health. This is a big world wide problem.
https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l4516
The Who is trying but I don't think it's effective
https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/310981/WHO-MSD-19.1-eng.pdf
I don't think mental healthcare can be managed at a government level. Anything the government tries to do will be like using a sledgehammer to kill a fly. It will also be something that is easily abused. Their incompetence would make whatever they do worse than nothing.
Mental health needs to start at the friends and family level. The local government and hospital systems then need to have programs in place to assist when the need arises.
I couldn't agree more. Step one is to stop making mental health taboo and unspoken. People need help to adapt. Some don't. But stop making those that do seem like lesser people or tell them to "just deal with life."
You guys missed the point. It was about access to healthcare without taboo. No country has found the magic bullet.
but you jumped right for the government bad line of reasoning. Rupert Murdoch would be proud
good talk.
Did you bother to see what I highlighted and read what I said? No where in my response was there anything remotely "gov bad". Please stop. Mental health is a serious topic and you trying to politicize everything because you ASSume you know what I am going to say isn't helping.
Depression is something that runs in my family but no one will admit to. I'm the first to seek help because no, I couldn't just deal with it. Going from 35 years of struggle to finally feeling good was life changing. My body adapting and taking me back every few years as it adapts to my meds sucks. But I know what I'm dealing with, I have amazing support from my wife and I have a great PCP that understands and where to send me. Many don't have that and that needs to change.
So please stop reading what you want me to say into what I actually say.
mtn said:I know it isn't the point of the thread, but is there anyone here who is actually against federal legalization?
I can't imagine there would be at this point but who knows. When I was in school in the 80's I thought it made sense to legalize, tax, and regulate it. Lot's of tax revenue, and more control. I couldn't get alcohol easily unless I knew someone over 21 willing to buy it, or a store that looked the other way. Bag of weed? 5 mins, just see Bennie near the gym door, he's got some to sell....
Bennie hung out at my dad's bar! I often traded him liquor for weed.
In reply to Steve_Jones :
In California, legalized weed has in fact been a nice tax source for the cities, but the permits and the overall cost of doing business is such that most of the legit industry is being run by converted tech guys, and the small businessperson can't afford to get in the game, so they either stay out or underground, which is kind of sad. A lot of our tech bros are moving to Texas, which isn't so good for our economy, but I have to say that during the boom we were hitting critical mass on arrogant twenty-something white dudes, so I won't miss that.
In reply to bobzilla :
Dude. Dude. Dude. Just chill out. Dude.
frenchyd said:aircooled said:Frenchy. Look into CBD. I believe that is the primary aspect of pot that helps pain. I don't think the THC part will help much, unless she wants the high.
CBD can easily be had in non-smoking form. Tinctures etc.
Interesting, I again I hope it's relavent. I was thinking of getting my sister some Gummies. Drive to Colorado and get them.
My sister isn't a smoker. Won't touch anything smoking. She's not wanting to get high, just deal with the pain.
So I should look for Gummies with High CBD?
I live in Washington state, one of the first places to make it legal (recreationally). I partake in edibles as I hate smoking, well anything. For your sister, if you go to a state where recreation is legal, just know that any of the edibles will have some small amount of THC (this is what makes it recreational). It also means that it is regulated and tested. Many of the off the shelf CBD products are not, so in this case I would actually trust something that has a high ratio of CDB to THC coming from a recreational place instead of anywhere else. I have used it instead of opiod painkillers and had good results after a surgery, allowed me to basically have 2 days of opiods and then change over. I will say that at least ofr me some pain it will not touch, like nerve pain from sciatica, but your mileage may vary. Gummies are fine, but I've had some fantastic chocolate items and currently have some mints that help promote sleep that I like.
In reply to bobzilla :
I read what you wrote. I agree that families play a role in healthcare, but epidemics need to be tackled at scale by gobenrments and public health officials. No other way has been successful in history. This one we just haven't been able to figure out how to do it.
It certainly hasn't improved people's driving here in Colorado. FWICT, it doesn't make people more hostile, just more stupid.
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