Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
1/15/23 6:31 p.m.

Being a Canadian, I felt no need to add "ice", as that is implied.

I am 62.  I learned to skate in leather boots with not much ankle support, and, if I do say so myself, I was a pretty good skater.  When my kids were little, I bought a new pair, and had a horrible time getting them laced tight enough, and then I had no ankle movement fore and aft, so I wanted to fall on my face all the time.  I now have a grandson learning to skate, and that seems like a good excuse to find another pair.

So.   Do I need to search up antique skates, or is there a modern skate that will allow me some motion in the ankle?

LopRacer
LopRacer Dork
1/15/23 6:51 p.m.

I have been out of the Ice skate game for a decade but last I checked the new standard is the more rigid in the ankle the better.  I too learned to skate on old leather hand me down skates ( my cousins and my fathers).  When I came back to skating I ended up getting used to the new stiff skates.  I ended up with a pair of Mission Amp 2 skates (decade old model now) They are ridiculously light and stiff and I had to fit them to my feet with heat. I am not sure I could manage the floppy ones now.  Mission apparently now owned by Bauer and no longer makes ice hockey skates, but I see Bauer makes a lifestyle skate line, maybe fit more like a hiking boots. If you can find a way to try a bunch on you might find a set you can live with.

Bauer lifestyle skates 

No Time
No Time UltraDork
1/15/23 7:00 p.m.

My recommendation would be to go with the lowest price skate that can be baked for a custom fit. 

The baking will help with breaking in, and the lower prices skates aren't as stiff. 

Once they have been left 24hrs after baking, pull the laces tight and tie them to hold the boot closed, place them in a warm part of the house and leave them that way you go skating. Repeat the pulling the laces tight between session and the boot will be snug, so you just need to get the laces tight enough to prevent the boot from opening and not pull the boot closed. 

You can also use waxed laces. They will let you pull the lower section tight over you instep, but leave the ankle looser for flex.

Another way to allow flex in the ankle is to experiment with skipping eyelets on the upper portion of the boot. 
 

Edit: the Bauer lifestyle skate recommended by Lopracer looks to be worth some investigation. 

adam525i
adam525i GRM+ Memberand Dork
1/15/23 7:27 p.m.

Grind the pics off a figure skate? laugh

Peabody
Peabody MegaDork
1/15/23 7:36 p.m.

I'm a goaltender so I have my own skate thing going on but I've had the best luck with non goalie skates buying used. That way they're already broken in and you can get a good idea as soon as you try them on. I was always a Tacks guy but didn't like the last pair I bought for my son for the same reason 

mtn
mtn MegaDork
1/15/23 9:28 p.m.

What size shoe are you?
 

Do you have a decent Local Hockey Shop (LHS) in the area? I would start there and look for a place that carries both Bauer and CCM, and preferably Graf or True as well. Mission was purchased by Bauer and no longer makes ice skates. 
 

Graf will be the most similar to what you're used to. They're entire "thing" is getting the right fit and having ankle mobility. Unfortunately, they made some bad business decisions, lost the little market share they had, and rushed a modern skate to market with bad QC. Vaughn bought them out of bankruptcy and has brought the quality back, but the biggest issue is finding some place that actually stocks them to try them on. 
 

CCM and Bauer both have a 3-fit profile system. You'll go to a store, they'll scan your feet, and tell you to get Fit 1 2 or 3. I don't know how well it works as I've not done it yet myself. Then you'll try on the different skates. For CCM, Tacks are the stiffest, and the higher up in the model line, the stiffer it goes.  CCM bills them as the power/speed skates. Jetspeeds are billed as the acceleration skate, kind of in the middle. More ankle movement. Ribcore has the fewest models, but may be what you're looking for. It is the least stuff boot in their lineup and billed as the agility boot. 

My knowledge of Bauer skates is quite dated, but they also have a 3-tier fit system, then the Vapor and Supreme lines. 
 

My personal rule of thumb for CCM is that the cheapest/farthest down the line that I'll consider will still have a replaceable runner (blade) as well as a little cushion on the top of the skates where the sides of your ankle hit. But I have been on the ice about 200 hours since November.

Basically everything these days is bakeable, which is incredible. Basically cuts the break in time down to about 1 ice session. I wouldn't get a skate that you can't bake. 
 

For basically all newer skates I've tried except Graf, I have had to drop the top eyelet. Otherwise I feel like Frankenstein's monster clunking around with no movement. It's like being in a cast. Pretty popular in the NHL as well. 
 

I also recommend getting an 11' profile, and for CCM at least, plus 2mm. The 11' profile will be a lot more stable, give you more glide, be faster, though at the cost of a little bit of agility. Having it be plus 2mm means that the balance point is moved 2mm, and will have a little forward pitch. This forces you to bend your ankles and bend your knees to maintain your center of gravity, and allows a deeper knee bend and more ankle movement. 
 

For True skates, the timeline is something like this (I may be getting parts mixed up): 

  • Speed skate skate maker starts making hockey skates called MLX. Basically nobody knew about them except some NHL players (including Dustin Byfuglien and Marian Hossa)
  • Easton buys MLX and the skate becomes the Mako.
  • Bauer buys Easton and basically throws it all away
  • Scotty Van Horne, the designer, starts VH skates which become true skates. Initially fully custom only, they now have retail options.
  • I know that they have a forward lean and good ankle mobility. I know nothing else. 
     

Any other specific questions and I can probably find the answer or point you to someone who does. 

ShawnG
ShawnG MegaDork
1/15/23 9:43 p.m.
adam525i said:

Grind the pics off a figure skate? laugh

That's how you make Ref skates.

preach (dudeist priest)
preach (dudeist priest) GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
1/16/23 2:31 a.m.

CCM Super Tacks

There can be only one.

Cchambers13
Cchambers13 Reader
1/16/23 7:22 a.m.

X2 on finding used skates that are broken in. I played hockey for 14 years and only liked Bauer Supremes, the tank of skates. They softened up a bit but breaking in skates sucks.

You can leave the laces pretty loose, my high school coach didn't even tie his skates for practice (ex D1 college player). Skates are stiff like ski boots to support/protect.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
1/16/23 7:29 a.m.

In reply to mtn :

Size 12 shoe.

Baking.  I turn on the broiler and stick my feet in the oven to melt the skates on?laugh

mtn
mtn MegaDork
1/16/23 10:09 a.m.
Streetwiseguy said:

In reply to mtn :

Size 12 shoe.

Baking.  I turn on the broiler and stick my feet in the oven to melt the skates on?laugh

Dang, I don't have any I could send you. 
 

For baking, you CAN do it at home - ice warehouse has a video on it - but I'd just do it at the LHS with the specialty ovens. Then you stick your feet in, tighten them up (pull OUT 0n the laces, not up), and they form to your foot pretty well. 

mtn
mtn MegaDork
1/16/23 10:12 a.m.
Cchambers13 said:

X2 on finding used skates that are broken in. I played hockey for 14 years and only liked Bauer Supremes, the tank of skates. They softened up a bit but breaking in skates sucks.

You can leave the laces pretty loose, my high school coach didn't even tie his skates for practice (ex D1 college player). Skates are stiff like ski boots to support/protect.

Daryl Evans, retired kings player, doesn't use them at all. 

shaun_sc
shaun_sc New Reader
6/16/23 12:45 a.m.
Streetwiseguy said:

Being a Canadian, I felt no need to add "ice", as that is implied.

I am 62.  I learned to skate in leather boots with not much ankle support, and, if I do say so myself, I was a pretty good skater.  When my kids were little, I bought a new pair, and had a horrible time getting them laced tight enough, and then I had no ankle movement fore and aft, so I wanted to fall on my face all the time.  I now have a grandson learning to skate, and that seems like a good excuse to find another pair.

So.   Do I need to search up antique skates, or is there a modern skate that will allow me some motion in the ankle?

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preach (dudeist priest)
preach (dudeist priest) GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
6/16/23 2:25 a.m.

/Sigh...

hybridmomentspass
hybridmomentspass Dork
6/16/23 1:29 p.m.

Just bought a set of Vapor X3 (?) recently. Were on sale from 400 to 200 bucks since it's last years model. 
First skate SUCKED, but by the second I was feeling much much better. Took a full game to start to break in

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