Mitchell wrote: So, will these be in the workhorse contractor models, or only the every-option-box-ticked trucks?
what do you think?
do they ever hype up engines that they will put in stripped down models, and do dealers ever order the desirable engines in stripped down models to put out on the lot if they are available that way?
Keith Tanner wrote: I have to say I do appreciate that my 2010 Cummins doesn't take DEF. It's just one more thing I don't have to deal with. But I wouldn't consider it to be any more of a chore than keeping the windshield washer tank full in a Canadian winter. It's easy stuff to find if the signs in the fuel stops are any indication.
Cummins will probably go for the def soon. There are more e missions regulations rolling out and they are at nearly the end of their rope for in cylinder and particulate filter controls without affecting mpg too much.
Ever wonder why people say they remove the particulate filter and get 1-2mpg back? It's because they have a fuel nozzle in the exhaust stream to burn off crap in the filter. So while people hate the def, it's probably cheaper for them in the long run.
Strizzo wrote: put it in a jeep, and people will be lined up down the street yelling "shut up and take my money!"
They did that, and most people didn't notice. They used a Mercedes 3.0L turbo diesel, OM642, in the Grand Cherokee for a few years. Wonderful motor, backed up by a pretty robust transmission. 215hp, 375 ft-lb. I convinced a coworker to buy one and he loves it. Gets 24 mpg combined.
Hopefully the VM Motori used this time around is better executed, and better received. I'd love a high mpg, torquey 1/2 ton truck. I wonder how good the transmission they're going to use is.
mtn wrote:Tom Suddard wrote: No manual, no care.Nah, for towing I want an auto.
I'm with Tommy, both the F700 and Mongo are stick shift, towing with a manual is no harder than driving a manual
Strizzo wrote: put it in a jeep, and people will be lined up down the street yelling "shut up and take my money!"
It's in the new Grand Cherokee as far as I know. Break out the pocketbook, it's gonna hurt.
Swank Force One wrote:Strizzo wrote: put it in a jeep, and people will be lined up down the street yelling "shut up and take my money!"It's in the new Grand Cherokee as far as I know. Break out the pocketbook, it's gonna hurt.
Yup, there's a diesel offering for the Grand Cherokee to the tune of $46k.
novaderrik wrote:Mitchell wrote: So, will these be in the workhorse contractor models, or only the every-option-box-ticked trucks?what do you think? do they ever hype up engines that they will put in stripped down models, and do dealers ever order the desirable engines in stripped down models to put out on the lot if they are available that way?
For trucks? It'll be in the workhorse models. While lots of trucks are just driveway jewelery, the majority of them are still for work.
Fueled by Caffeine wrote: Ever wonder why people say they remove the particulate filter and get 1-2mpg back? It's because they have a fuel nozzle in the exhaust stream to burn off crap in the filter. So while people hate the def, it's probably cheaper for them in the long run.
It's quite obvious when my truck's gone into regeneration mode, I can see the fuel economy hit. It's not all the time, it just does it once in a while for maybe 20-30 minutes. The amount of time it spends regenerating depends on how you've been driving. My truck tends to spend a fair bit of time under load so I imagine it's at the higher end of the usage spectrum. I did manage to get the filter into "you have to let me regen soon!" mode once, after towing the two-car trailer across the country without much of a break. There was a lot of smoke inside 
But I didn't say the DPF was cheaper. I said that the DEF was one more thing I don't have to deal with. I'm okay with that.
novaderrik wrote:Mitchell wrote: So, will these be in the workhorse contractor models, or only the every-option-box-ticked trucks?what do you think? do they ever hype up engines that they will put in stripped down models, and do dealers ever order the desirable engines in stripped down models to put out on the lot if they are available that way?
Well, Dodge hypes the hell out of the hemi and they throw it in pretty much every model they have. So it really wouldn't surprise me if the Tradesman or whatever the cheap ass work truck is called had the diesel as well.
Keith Tanner wrote:novaderrik wrote:For trucks? It'll be in the workhorse models. While lots of trucks are just driveway jewelery, the majority of them are still for work.Mitchell wrote: So, will these be in the workhorse contractor models, or only the every-option-box-ticked trucks?what do you think? do they ever hype up engines that they will put in stripped down models, and do dealers ever order the desirable engines in stripped down models to put out on the lot if they are available that way?Fueled by Caffeine wrote: Ever wonder why people say they remove the particulate filter and get 1-2mpg back? It's because they have a fuel nozzle in the exhaust stream to burn off crap in the filter. So while people hate the def, it's probably cheaper for them in the long run.It's quite obvious when my truck's gone into regeneration mode, I can see the fuel economy hit. It's not all the time, it just does it once in a while for maybe 20-30 minutes. The amount of time it spends regenerating depends on how you've been driving. My truck tends to spend a fair bit of time under load so I imagine it's at the higher end of the usage spectrum. I did manage to get the filter into "you have to let me regen soon!" mode once, after towing the two-car trailer across the country without much of a break. There was a lot of smoke inside
When the dpf first came out and we were having clogging problems, the unofficial cure was to put a load on the truck get on the highway, lock it in 3rd and run it full throttle for about 15 minutes. 90% of the time it works every time. Being under load is a good thing for the 6.7 cummins, old man daily drivers have most of the problems.
Grizz wrote:novaderrik wrote:Well, Dodge hypes the hell out of the hemi and they throw it in pretty much every model they have. So it really wouldn't surprise me if the Tradesman or whatever the cheap ass work truck is called had the diesel as well.Mitchell wrote: So, will these be in the workhorse contractor models, or only the every-option-box-ticked trucks?what do you think? do they ever hype up engines that they will put in stripped down models, and do dealers ever order the desirable engines in stripped down models to put out on the lot if they are available that way?
but how many of the "cheap ass work trucks" will be lined up on dealer lots waiting for someone to make an impulse buy and take whatever they have on the lot?
Diesels are stinky. Me no likey in anything that tows less than 25,000 pounds.
Streetwiseguy wrote: Diesels are stinky. Me no likey in anything that tows less than 25,000 pounds.
I don't recall smelling anything from the new Ford Transit(full size econoline replacement) I rode in. I think stinky exhaust is a thing of the past.
Kenny_McCormic wrote:Streetwiseguy wrote: Diesels are stinky. Me no likey in anything that tows less than 25,000 pounds.I don't recall smelling anything from the new Ford Transit(full size econoline replacement) I rode in. I think stinky exhaust is a thing of the past.
as soon as they leave the lot, it seems like 90% of the people that buy them around here get a tuner so they can "roll coal" every time they see a Prius...
novaderrik wrote:Grizz wrote:but how many of the "cheap ass work trucks" will be lined up on dealer lots waiting for someone to make an impulse buy and take whatever they have on the lot?novaderrik wrote:Well, Dodge hypes the hell out of the hemi and they throw it in pretty much every model they have. So it really wouldn't surprise me if the Tradesman or whatever the cheap ass work truck is called had the diesel as well.Mitchell wrote: So, will these be in the workhorse contractor models, or only the every-option-box-ticked trucks?what do you think? do they ever hype up engines that they will put in stripped down models, and do dealers ever order the desirable engines in stripped down models to put out on the lot if they are available that way?
Depending on the area? Quite a few around here.
novaderrik wrote:Kenny_McCormic wrote:as soon as they leave the lot, it seems like 90% of the people that buy them around here get a tuner so they can "roll coal" every time they see a Prius...Streetwiseguy wrote: Diesels are stinky. Me no likey in anything that tows less than 25,000 pounds.I don't recall smelling anything from the new Ford Transit(full size econoline replacement) I rode in. I think stinky exhaust is a thing of the past.
it's easy to tell who is going to Roll coal.. just look for the stacks
Ian F wrote:SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote: Yeah, I'm just not excited for another expensive fluid I would have to buy for my vehicle.Expensive? It's like $6/gal...
Sure it doesn't sound bad, but the new Ram has an 8 gallon DEF tank. That's another $50 of magic liquid.
I love my 1/2 ton Chevy with it's diesel. Nice to see a newer 1/2 ton truck with one in it, maybe in about 15 years when mine finally dies, these will be cheap enough for me to buy as a replacement, by then they should have a manual transmission swap worked out for it.
I'v driven and towed with my buddy's 2500 Cummins with the 6 speed manual and it's awesome. I would not want an auto behind it.
Fueled by Caffeine wrote:Keith Tanner wrote:When the dpf first came out and we were having clogging problems, the unofficial cure was to put a load on the truck get on the highway, lock it in 3rd and run it full throttle for about 15 minutes. 90% of the time it works every time. Being under load is a good thing for the 6.7 cummins, old man daily drivers have most of the problems.novaderrik wrote:For trucks? It'll be in the workhorse models. While lots of trucks are just driveway jewelery, the majority of them are still for work.Mitchell wrote: So, will these be in the workhorse contractor models, or only the every-option-box-ticked trucks?what do you think? do they ever hype up engines that they will put in stripped down models, and do dealers ever order the desirable engines in stripped down models to put out on the lot if they are available that way?Fueled by Caffeine wrote: Ever wonder why people say they remove the particulate filter and get 1-2mpg back? It's because they have a fuel nozzle in the exhaust stream to burn off crap in the filter. So while people hate the def, it's probably cheaper for them in the long run.It's quite obvious when my truck's gone into regeneration mode, I can see the fuel economy hit. It's not all the time, it just does it once in a while for maybe 20-30 minutes. The amount of time it spends regenerating depends on how you've been driving. My truck tends to spend a fair bit of time under load so I imagine it's at the higher end of the usage spectrum. I did manage to get the filter into "you have to let me regen soon!" mode once, after towing the two-car trailer across the country without much of a break. There was a lot of smoke inside
Yep. Lots of our Cummins customers just haul the kids to school, seems it's some kind of a status symbol to drive a Cummins 4x4 Ram for that purpose. They don't beat the snot out of them and the DPF clogs.
What you spend on DEF is more than made up for by the fuel economy gains from being able to make the engine happy and then clean it up in the exhaust, as opposed to making the engine run cleaner but with less power/efficiency.
Unless you WANT to go back to engines that get less fuel economy than modern DI gas engines, only with half the power.
You're already spending a premium for the truck, you're buying fuel that costs 20-50% more than gasoline, and they take much more and more expensive oil/filters for oil changes... and you're worried about spending $6/1000mi or so for DEF?
I mean, you don't see me bitching that it costs me about $15/1000mi for 2-cycle oil to keep my Mazda happy... (And it IS happier with a rich mix of the yummy Lucas synthetic oil)
I just want more diesel work vans, preferably those that are easy to work on. Like the NV2500.
Can they be less hideous?
Grizz wrote: Can they be less hideous?
It is my opinion that the NV2500's ugly face is also what makes it easier to work on. It's a panel truck, meaning you can probably sit in the engine bay.
The Transit Connect at least had a little four with the spark plugs facing forward, making it better to work on, but too many commercial vans have the dog box and the engines wedged way up in there.
http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/2016-jeep-wrangler-to-get-diesel-engine.html
The old design work vans aren't that bad when you remove the interior bulkheads under the dash.....gives you room and a flat elevated place to lay on.
Curmudgeon wrote:Fueled by Caffeine wrote:Yep. Lots of our Cummins customers just haul the kids to school, seems it's some kind of a status symbol to drive a Cummins 4x4 Ram for that purpose. They don't beat the snot out of them and the DPF clogs.Keith Tanner wrote:When the dpf first came out and we were having clogging problems, the unofficial cure was to put a load on the truck get on the highway, lock it in 3rd and run it full throttle for about 15 minutes. 90% of the time it works every time. Being under load is a good thing for the 6.7 cummins, old man daily drivers have most of the problems.novaderrik wrote:For trucks? It'll be in the workhorse models. While lots of trucks are just driveway jewelery, the majority of them are still for work.Mitchell wrote: So, will these be in the workhorse contractor models, or only the every-option-box-ticked trucks?what do you think? do they ever hype up engines that they will put in stripped down models, and do dealers ever order the desirable engines in stripped down models to put out on the lot if they are available that way?Fueled by Caffeine wrote: Ever wonder why people say they remove the particulate filter and get 1-2mpg back? It's because they have a fuel nozzle in the exhaust stream to burn off crap in the filter. So while people hate the def, it's probably cheaper for them in the long run.It's quite obvious when my truck's gone into regeneration mode, I can see the fuel economy hit. It's not all the time, it just does it once in a while for maybe 20-30 minutes. The amount of time it spends regenerating depends on how you've been driving. My truck tends to spend a fair bit of time under load so I imagine it's at the higher end of the usage spectrum. I did manage to get the filter into "you have to let me regen soon!" mode once, after towing the two-car trailer across the country without much of a break. There was a lot of smoke inside
Turbo variable nozzle sticks as well. I can tell you some interesting stories.
Bobzilla wrote: Dodge has always had the best diesel engine. But it's strapped into a Ram. That's what holds me back. Same here.
Yea, but you are a GM fanboi. While I am all about the GM products, the fact is that the current dodge 1/2 ton is superior in almost everyway compared to the GM. Hell, I recently realized (after spending significant amounts of time in the big threes crew cab pickmeups) that it is so incredibly stupid how small the CC on the GM is its... hilarious. You literally shouldn't even bother with the CC and just go with the extended cab is how bad it is. Never noticed it until I tried the others.
And the dodge rides a gillion times better (especially on gravel roads) and the interior is nicer.
Tom Suddard wrote: To each his own; I hate towing with autos. No engine braking and always the wrong gear. It is easier with an auto, though. I guess what I'm saying is it should be a choice, as it has basically been from the invention of the automatic to a few years ago.
Welcome to 1994. Maybe step into the newest millennium, give the trucks a try, and then get back to us. Just sayin'. There is no point in towing with a manual nowadays, the new transmissions DO engine brake, they are always in the right gear (with 800 torques that is called "any" gear in case you are wondering, the torqueless wonder you guys tow with isn't exactly a shining example of a modern day tow vehicle transmission 
), manual trannies can't handle the powa (hence why they aren't offered anymore and for the last years the dodges were detuned for torques with the 6 speed) and have you ever tried backing up a 28' enclosed trailer with a stick? Not fun.
Now I'm going to get back to driving across the country in my 6 speed auto duramax and enjoy focusing more on where the 15,000lb rig is going and less on what my clutch foot is doing and what gear I am grabbing.
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