T.J. wrote: As stupid as these riots are, they are a taste of what is to come if you live in or near a major population center.
Please elaborate.
T.J. wrote: As stupid as these riots are, they are a taste of what is to come if you live in or near a major population center.
Please elaborate.
Police have been shooting a lot of people lately. Worse is many were unarmed. And Black.
People are getting tired of it.
In reply to T.J.:
FWIW, the "No fly zone" was due to shots being fired at a police helicopter(no idea on hits)
If (note the if) he lunged at an armed cop, he has to be treated as armed.
Appleseed wrote: Police have been shooting a lot of people lately. Worse is many were unarmed. And Black. People are getting tired of it.
In reply to T.J.:
Are you implying that a majority of the populace is rioting?
nicksta43 wrote:T.J. wrote: As stupid as these riots are, they are a taste of what is to come if you live in or near a major population center.Please elaborate.
Urban areas are becoming predominantly minority majority populations. With that, statistically the crime rate rises. As the crime rate rises, the minority majority increases as the "White Flight" continues.
tuna55 wrote: If (note the if) he lunged at an armed cop, he has to be treated as armed.
The rumor is that he did, but did not stop shooting after the threat was gone.
Anyway, now the Black Panthers, some anarchists, and the Illinois Nazis are here. I hate Illinois Nazis.
My question is this. NAACP is telling folks to keep protestimg. Why isn't al sharptons fat ass down there getting grenaded at? Seems to be a bit of a double standard if you ask me. But I've got white privilege so clearly my opinion is void.
In reply to mndsm:
It feels odd being a privileged white generally conservative male but I understand the never ending protests. Everything I've seen from the police so far shows they have no idea what to do so the think the best way to handle it is with a show of force. I have to believe that this has been simmering for a long time because I doubt that the whole town took to rioting over one kid getting shot but that this was the last straw. The police have done nothing to make me think otherwise. Normally I am very pro police but there as been nothing in the past week to make me sympathize with them.
I am also a bit concerned with how easy they went from a police dept to a military unit. I have seen a lot of E36 M3 happen here and never seen the Police come out in Camo or point rifles at crowds of people.
nicksta43 wrote: Please elaborate.
tuna55 wrote: In reply to T.J.: Are you implying that a majority of the populace is rioting?
No, I think that every city is a lot closer to major violence than people would like to think. There is a lot of anger out there overall. Say, for some reason, the electricity went out for a week in August in New York City. What do you think would happen? What if there was a gas shortage and armed with the knowledge that LA only has enough food without trucking it in to last maybe 3 days. Look what happened at those Wal-Marts when there was a glitch in the EBT system. So, for reasons like these I would not live in a big city. Are any of my scenarios above all that likely? I don't think so, but I just don't want to live in the midst of so many other people. Then on top of that, the nations' police forces have become so militarized over the past several decades that it can be hard to discern whether their function is to prevent and investigate crimes or to defend themselves against an aggressive, angry and armed citizenry. Again, is this something to really be concerned with? Who knows, but just looking at all the arms and ammo the feds have been buying, and all the armored vehicles, drones, and what not, plus all the Army training exercises where they take over US cities, makes me wonder what they are preparing for.
I do not always wear my tinfoil hat, but, I was asked to elaborate on my previous comment.
In reply to T.J.:
Thank you for doing so.
The primary reason the police are there is to demonstrate that the local law enforcement CAN do something to contain the situation. If the population at large were convinced the Police could NOT contain the problem the result would not be pretty...
In reply to T.J.:
Yeah, thanks for elaborating. I am also city scared. Usually for other reasons though.
Funny how Ferguson is next to berkeley.
Today we took all the weapons, marked police equipment, ammo, and gas masks out of the store for the time being.
IMHO, the police came in so hot and heavy the last two nights because on Sunday they were in no way prepared to stop the looting. They have been scared.
Tonight it has been much less violent. The protestors are only berkeleying up traffic, but the police are not stopping anyone. CNN has had me laughing my ass off, honestly.
Wally wrote: In reply to mndsm: It feels odd being a privileged white generally conservative male but I understand the never ending protests. Everything I've seen from the police so far shows they have no idea what to do so the think the best way to handle it is with a show of force. I have to believe that this has been simmering for a long time because I doubt that the whole town took to rioting over one kid getting shot but that this was the last straw. The police have done nothing to make me think otherwise. Normally I am very pro police but there as been nothing in the past week to make me sympathize with them. I am also a bit concerned with how easy they went from a police dept to a military unit. I have seen a lot of E36 M3 happen here and never seen the Police come out in Camo or point rifles at crowds of people.
Have you seen this?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=741300245937583
Or seen what it looks like trying to arrest anyone in a community like that these days?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=926729417342899&fref=nf
Wally wrote: In reply to mndsm: It feels odd being a privileged white generally conservative male but I understand the never ending protests. Everything I've seen from the police so far shows they have no idea what to do so the think the best way to handle it is with a show of force. I have to believe that this has been simmering for a long time because I doubt that the whole town took to rioting over one kid getting shot but that this was the last straw. The police have done nothing to make me think otherwise. Normally I am very pro police but there as been nothing in the past week to make me sympathize with them. I am also a bit concerned with how easy they went from a police dept to a military unit. I have seen a lot of E36 M3 happen here and never seen the Police come out in Camo or point rifles at crowds of people.
Its a berkeleyed situation on both sides. St Louis isn't exactly the best place to be. Police are dealimg with constant stupid E36 M3 and the citizens are generally screwed too and they're fighting each other, and its basically turned into a dick swinging contest. Sadly the kid this all started over will never get justice or never be properly shown as a criminal, its all moot now. You've got neejerk cops going straight for the throat and you've got citizens at the end of their ropes being egged on by media and so called civil rights groups. No ones gonna win, but the cops have bigger guns.
Appleseed wrote: Police have been shooting a lot of people lately. Worse is many were unarmed. And Black. People are getting tired of it.
A lot of black people have been shooting people. People are getting tired of it..... same problem. Different sides.
In reply to Bobzilla:
I'm personally getting tired of the NAACP.....they're racists. 
yamaha wrote: In reply to Bobzilla: I'm personally getting tired of the NAACP.....they're racists.
Yeah, but they're black so they can hide racism under the guise of fighting for equality. Try that when your name is Tom and you're a white guy.
T.J. wrote: Who knows, but just looking at all the arms and ammo the feds have been buying, and all the armored vehicles, drones, and what not, plus all the Army training exercises where they take over US cities, makes me wonder what they are preparing for. I do not always wear my tinfoil hat, but, I was asked to elaborate on my previous comment.
It's no coincidence, they know major unrest is coming in the next 5-10 years. Funny that this is how the government deals with it rather than addressing the causes of unrest.
I actually expected the riots last summer, to coincide with that Florida trial. So, they're a year late already. However, I'm glad they seem to be quieting down. Maybe that was it. Other cities have just had little demonstrations, nothing big. Saw where LAPD killed someone (again) a couple days ago and it was trying to get media attention, but I don't think it went anywhere.
GameboyRMH wrote: It's no coincidence, they know major unrest is coming in the next 5-10 years. Funny that this is how the government deals with it rather than addressing the causes of unrest.
Terribly incorrect. More like:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-reasons-police-are-starting-to-look-like-supervillains/
At the end of the day, both sides need to look at themselves and ask what they are doing wrong. Fact is, if you do something ILLEGAL, you are a CRIMINAL. I don't care if you are black, white, or purple, THAT is the way it works. Even if good ol' whitey gets off easier for the illegal stuff (which may or may not be the case, but is a rallying cry of the minorities), that does not JUSTIFY being a criminal.
yamaha wrote: In reply to Bobzilla: I'm personally getting tired of the NAACP.....they're racists.
Yes, they are. So are the Black Panthers and the KKK.
HiTempguy wrote:GameboyRMH wrote: It's no coincidence, they know major unrest is coming in the next 5-10 years. Funny that this is how the government deals with it rather than addressing the causes of unrest.Terribly incorrect. More like: http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-reasons-police-are-starting-to-look-like-supervillains/ At the end of the day, both sides need to look at themselves and ask what they are doing wrong. Fact is, if you do something ILLEGAL, you are a CRIMINAL. I don't care if you are black, white, or purple, THAT is the way it works. Even if good ol' whitey gets off easier for the illegal stuff (which may or may not be the case, but is a rallying cry of the minorities), that does not JUSTIFY being a criminal.
The major unrest won't be related to any kind of race-based injustice...look at Snowden's leaks and you'll get some hints at what they're paying attention to, domestically.
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