Mazdax605 wrote: Glad to see Nashville get to the conference final. That is a fun team to root for. I would love to see them hoist the cup. It would be great to see all the Habs fans squirm when P.K. brings the cup to poutinville and rubs it in their faces.
Plus One.
Let's go CAPS!
Game 7 here we come.
Didn't someone say the Caps were going out early in this round?
I'm enjoying every series but the one with my team in it, yep, it's the playoffs.
Have to admit, with everyone else having to grind through long rounds, the Preds will go into round 3 with a lot less wear and tear.
Well, my hopes for the postseason now revolve around wishing bad things upon the Sens.
SnowMongoose wrote: Well, my hopes for the postseason now revolve around wishing bad things upon the Sens.
Didn't I ask you to do that 3 weeks ago?
SnowMongoose wrote: Well, my hopes for the postseason now revolve around wishing bad things upon the Sens.
It will be interesting to see if the Caps win, then we have a Canadian Capital vs. US Capital match up.
That would be fun.
I think the caps are going to take the win tonight.
AngryCorvair wrote: Didn't someone say the Caps were going out early in this round?
I don't think so.
I think I said something like if they play in the second round like they did in the first, they'll be out in short order. It would appear that they've played better, against a far better team than the Leafs.
It blows me away that the concussion "spotters" didn't pull Crosby off the ice after he crumpled up against the end boards in game 6. That is a crock of E36 M3 right there. I don't think the NHL really cares about brain injuries like they would like you to believe they do. If it weren't the face of the NHL I bet he's pulled off for evaluations.
In reply to Mazdax605:
Did you hear the explanation? Here's my paraphrase:
So, since his head hit the boards and not the ice, the spotters are not allowed to make the call. "'Getting up slowly' is not one of the criteria."
The head guy (see what I did there) also said they have data suggesting head-into-boards does not cause concussion, therefore that's not one of the criteria.
I live in Pittsburgh, so I have to say Go Pens! That is all I know about hockey. Enjoy the series everyone!
AngryCorvair wrote: In reply to Mazdax605: Did you hear the explanation? Here's my paraphrase: - spotters take the criteria literally; - criteria are: -- check to head or upper body; -- head striking ice; -- punch to head. So, since his head hit the boards and not the ice, the spotters are not allowed to make the call. "'Getting up slowly' is not one of the criteria." The head guy (see what I did there) also said they have data suggesting head-into-boards does not cause concussion, therefore that's not one of the criteria.
I hadn't seen that, but I still maintain that he should have been evaluated. What was there 2 minutes or so til the end of the period. Get him in early and looked at. If he's okay then let him go. I play the game on the most grassroots level, and I understand wanting to play no matter what, but if the league is going to tell us they care about the safety of the players then he has to be evaluated there. I have no idea where they came up with the idea that hitting your head on the boards is any less bad for your brain then the ice, but it's a crock of E36 M3. I still maintain if it were almost any other player he's pulled off for evaluation.
With all that said, go caps!! I feel dirty even typing that, but I loath the pens!!
Chris
Mazdax605 wrote:SnowMongoose wrote: Well, my hopes for the postseason now revolve around wishing bad things upon the Sens.Didn't I ask you to do that 3 weeks ago?
I've been cheering against them since they drew the Rangers for round 2, now the focus is on negative things for them rather than positive things for my team.
That's not true, I'm pulling for the Caps (Ovi > Crosby) and against the Oilers (They're Canadian)
Good news is, hockey is much less stressful now that I've no dog in the fight.
Mazdax605 wrote: It blows me away that the concussion "spotters" didn't pull Crosby off the ice after he crumpled up against the end boards in game 6. That is a crock of E36 M3 right there. I don't think the NHL really cares about brain injuries like they would like you to believe they do. If it weren't the face of the NHL I bet he's pulled off for evaluations.
Especially after he broke his neck a few years back and the league and team tried to play it off as a concussion. Somehow I was insane to think he broke his neck and that's why he was out almost a whole year, but sure enough, after a year plus of "concussion" it came out he'd fractured something.
With his history of broken fragile bones, he should be pulled at the first thought of an incident as a safety measure, not just dumped and let go.
All that said, I still think the nhl and nfl alike could learn from rugby. Those guys don't wear helmets,but I've seen the concussion check ups for hits on the sidelines, and overall they have less concussions and head injuries in what is arguably the more dangerous sport.
Of course they don't have the Pittsburgh hating refs in rugby that they do in hockey and the nfl as well...
All that said, ovechken can suck it.
RevRico wrote: All that said, I still think the nhl and nfl alike could learn from rugby. Those guys don't wear helmets,but I've seen the concussion check ups for hits on the sidelines, and overall they have less concussions and head injuries in what is arguably the more dangerous sport.
Rugby is played on grass. Even the hardest of grass is nowhere close to how hard ice is. Rugby also doesn't have a hard object traveling at up to 115mph either. As a player, I've been hit by a flying puck coming off of the post in the back of my head. It hit my helmet and cracked it. Imagine that without a helmet, and imagine it wasn't a 17-18 year old, but an NHLer. That could kill someone.
Similarly, look up Bill Masterton. He was checked, and fell backwards onto the ice. It wasn't a particularly dirty hit, but the impact of his head upon the ice was violent and killed him. Nowadays the leading theory is that he was already concussed, but if he had been wearing a helmet, he probably would not have an award named after him today.
Helmets save lives.
In reply to mtn:
I'm not arguing that aspect of it at all, as much as I dislike helmets from a comfort level, they do definitely serve a purpose.
I just think as far as concussion protocol and handling is concerned, rugby is a good place to look. That is more of my "why I hate football" rant though.
No sport can really compare to a solid chunk of rubber flying around at triple digit speeds, or two people sprinting across the ice and colliding. But we can learn from other sports.
A concussion is a concussion, whether it was caused by the ice, a knee to the head, or a tackle dog pile. It just seems strange to me that the sport with the least amount of physical protection is one of the safer ones as far as head injuries go.
Watching the rugby cup last year, there was an illegal head shot before half time. The guy who was hit was out ~10 minutes of the first half and half time, where he got a full checkup, light test, heart checkup, funny looking hat thing, then cleared or pulled.All told it was about 25 minutes of a checkup, so maybe a period of hockey or most of a quarter of a football game.
But as soon as the guy got hit, stoppage of play, and got him clear of the field straight to the doctor people. No one played around him, or let him try to shake it off first, before he even hit the ground the medical people were on their way. That doesn't happen much in hockey or football unless it's a particularly violent illegal hit.
Late edit: do you still have a lump on your head from the helmet splitting?
I havent personally known anyone that's had their helmet split playing hockey, but I know it happens a lot. I just remember a kid I went to high school with had a pretty substantial lump on his head from cracking his helmet wrecking his dirt bike, and was wondering if you did too.
RevRico wrote: I havent personally known anyone that's had their helmet split playing hockey, but I know it happens a lot. I just remember a kid I went to high school with had a pretty substantial lump on his head from cracking his helmet wrecking his dirt bike, and was wondering if you did too.
I've seen that happen- it took a stick to cleave it in half. Thankfully, the stick missed the actual head.
But your point about the lack of concussion reaction is a good one. When there should be an outright ban on hits to the head- like typical NHL, the calls are darned variable. When players other than the goalie lose their helmet, they keep playing. Heck, many of the helmets are strapped so lightly, it's easy to move the helmet in a way that it's not at all effective.
At some point, the owners and the players need to protect their investments, let alone their lives. Put it in financial terms, and perhaps something can be done.
It's a combination of things that allow rugby to be played with short shorts and a polo shirt, maybe a mouthguard.
Concussion awareness/protocol is a big part of it, but also important is how the rules are designed to protect the players.
Can't hit someone midair, can't dump someone on their head during a tackle, have to wrap up (no spearing like you see in football), no blocking (cuts down on getting blindsided), etc.
So, yeah, very safe sport considering the rules can be distilled down to 'run forward, pass back, murder the guy with the ball'
RevRico wrote: Late edit: do you still have a lump on your head from the helmet splitting? I havent personally known anyone that's had their helmet split playing hockey, but I know it happens a lot. I just remember a kid I went to high school with had a pretty substantial lump on his head from cracking his helmet wrecking his dirt bike, and was wondering if you did too.
No injury aside from a sore neck. No concussion symptoms at all, and we had a doctor on the bench check me out for it. It was just a small crack around a screw, but the helmet did what it was supposed to do. I was also lucky in that it whipped my head forward a little bit, so it wasn't as bad as it could have been (imagine hitting a car with the parking brake on or hitting a car in neutral--which will have the worse damage?)
The only injuries I've ever had in hockey was tearing some ligaments in my shoulder from a check from behind, and one concussion that came from me losing an edge and hitting my head on the ice--very mild concussion, and I believe it to be the only concussion I've had.
Aaaaaand as soon as Snow starts cheering for the Caps they entirely lose the ability to find the back of the net.
I should really just start betting against the teams I like
Other than the score it's been a good game.
That was a great game! Caps tried too many drop passes instead of shooting. Oh well, berkeley Pittsburgh anyway!
Washington Capitals - more choke jobs than a carb rebuilder
In important games your best players have to be your best players. If not, you're not going to be successful. Ovechkin was brutal in that game.
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