Still using wood in your guns comrade?

It would seem so.

I really don't know if that is good or bad.

Picture from here:

Russian

Careful, the story there is about Russians shooting a civilian.

Is it easy to make?   Does it work?  Heck, it could even be a 40 year old gun.... 

That's been kind of a thing in the Russian military for a long time.  Weapons that are relatively cheap and easy to use, and lots and lots of them. I am showing 75 MILLION AK47's produced!

I am sure someone here can make a more exact ID on it.

I have a wooden bullet my grandfather brought back from ww2. Story is that the germans were running out of materials and began using wood as the projectile. Its odd. 

I bet a wooden bullet would do a lot of damage if it survived being shot out of a gun.  When it hit something, it would splinter, embedding wood all over the wound area.

In reply to mad_machine :

I'd imagine the right kind of wood, good hardness, good grain structure, heat treated?... probably work fairly well at close range. It'll never have enough mass to carry any real energy, but if it's all you have I don't think it'd be too hard to come up with a workable solution. 

I much prefer my wooden stocked AK to the synthetic ones I've used, can't say I blame them. 

I seriously saw mosin stripper clips in one of the videos coming out of Ukraine. Like a case of them packed in cosmoline in one of the blown up transports. i think wood stocks are the least of their issues. 

Given the current situation in Ukraine, I think the humor of the "Nyet! Rifle is fine!" rant might be inappropriate.

So I'll just say replacing that wood stock with a polymer one won't make the rifle any better, nor will it hurt more or less if you get shot with it.

wearymicrobe said:

I seriously saw mosin stripper clips in one of the videos coming out of Ukraine. Like a case of them packed in cosmoline in one of the blown up transports. i think wood stocks are the least of their issues. 

One of the photos of the Russian equivalent of the national guard showed Mosin-Nagants and what looked like a water cooled correction:  Maxim gun.

Wood is fairly reliable. 

Woody (Forum Supportum) said:

Wood is fairly reliable. 

That's what she said 

Woody (Forum Supportum) said:

Wood is fairly reliable. 

Heavy is good. Heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work, you can always hit them with it.

 "water cooled Lewis" = M1910 Maxim?  Sometimes seen w/ a red dot, and/ or in dual-mounting!

Ukraine has some massive arms stockpiles, created during the Soviet-era but with small arms going back to WW2 or earlier.  One salt mine= est. 7M small arms and ~2-3 million TONS of ammo.  In 2014 this was under Donbas separatist control, so that might explain the pic of the Mosin w/ PU scope.  https://www.highcaliberhistory.com/post/ukraine-s-salt-mine-arsenal

Mark Felton (historian) vid specifically about WW2-era small arms

Brandon Herrera (guntuber) vids on various small arms (NSWF language, OTOH if you are watching YT vids about small arms at work??) Pt1    Pt2

And then there are not-so-small arms: https://www.forgottenweapons.com/ukrainian-dshk-as-infantry-support-weapon/   https://armourersbench.com/2022/03/27/ukraine-is-converting-salvaged-russian-pkts/

Grassroots Molotov 'Sports'?: https://armourersbench.com/2022/04/03/ukraines-molotov-cocktails/

last-ditch wood bullets: I was skeptical, but found some other people saying this was real, so maybe.  BOTR has some old vids about training blanks which use wooden bullets: dangerous enough if you want something safe, but probably better off with a bayonet if you have a bolt action or single shot and want something truly dangerous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSqC1LD6KPs

93EXCivic said:

Woody (Forum Supportum) said:

Wood is fairly reliable. 

Heavy is good. Heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work, you can always hit them with it.

Y'all started this...
All the canoes want you to think that age does cause reliability problems.  Or ND's.
Mark Novak (gunsmith): Do. The. Maintenance. (And then see "Q&A #16...Maintenance v. Service")

"The joke/meme is funny, the situation is terrible."

Oapfu said:

 "water cooled Lewis" = M1910 Maxim?  Sometimes seen w/ a red dot, and/ or in dual-mounting!

You are correct - picture I saw was a Maxim.  Had a brain fart.  And, no, there were no mall ninja toys attached

I saw a video on Twitter that had a guy with a silenced SVT-40.

had to dig it out. Definitely tight grain structure, and coated with something. Not sure what  

In reply to Dusterbd13-michael :

Threadjack!

What happens when you shoot a vampire with that?    Does that constitute a really short stake?

Back to whatever it was we were talking about.

Coated in garlic so if you just nick the victim he gets a terrible infection?

Wooden Bullet explanation:

Wooden bullet - Wikipedia

914Driver said:

Coated in garlic so if you just nick the victim he gets a terrible infection?

It depends if we are talking about conventional vampires or Lost Boys vampires.

jharry3 said:

Wooden Bullet explanation:

Wooden bullet - Wikipedia

Crowd control might be one explanation.  Another is for training.  The Swedes made wooden bullet rounds for 6.5x55, and had a muzzle device intended to shred the bullets as they exited.  The system functioned like blank rounds and a blank firing adapter.  Another 6.5x55 wooden bullet round was used for gallery (short-range) target shooting in military training.

Dusterbd13-michael said:

had to dig it out. Definitely tight grain structure, and coated with something. Not sure what  

Thank you for the photo!  Out of curiosity, could you take a pic of the headstamp?

From this pdf about 7.92x57, on page 8 (but no citation)

German cartridge variants during World War II

...

• Platzpatrone (blank cartridge)—two cannelures in the brass, red wood- or cardboard-bullet, cardboard plug (Fließpappe-Pfropfen) between bullet and propellant powder. Safe distance given at 25m.

I would believe all all sorts of ways blanks could end up  issued to front-line troops (e.g. Stalingrad air drops included stupid things like 1k left boots and tons of cooking spices?).  But it seems like any factory which still has primed brass and powder is going to be able to come up with something better than wood for the bullets.

I dunno.  Another forum discussion: German use of wooden 7.92mm rounds in combat

There is probably some fallacy for arguments that anecdotes make better proof if they are old: 1944 British Medical Journal

Rough math: the densest wood (Lignum Vitae or Black Ironwood?) is ~80 lb/cu-ft, or ~1/8 of the 707 lb/cu-ft density of lead.  The heaviest 8mm Mauser bullet is ~200grain.  So at best, a wood bullet is ~25gr, or slightly  lighter than .22LR.  No idea about the max velocity for wood, but it could be effective for a little distance.

Wait, so they make gun stocks out of something other than wood?

signed,

Old Guy

hope this helps. This is fun!

Made by Hugo Schneider A.-G., Werk Berlin-Köpenick, Germany in 1940.

Edit:  Or possibly Scharfenberg & Teubert, Breitungen.  Either way, year of manufacture is 1940.