teenagers beat up 63 year old

Bobzilla wrote:

xflowgolf wrote: rabble rabble rabble statistically no worse off today than in years past. safer today actually. 24 hour instant online news from anywhere. scary.

And how does that benefit this conversation? VIOLENT crimes have gone down. But in the last 10 years burglary has actually been on hte rise. Almost 2% since 2002. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1

Because the typical response usually is this:

fasted58 wrote: something's wrong with the world today

...when in fact nothing more is wrong today than there ever was. it's just more in our face.

By your own links admission, you're less likely to get your ass kicked, and in my book a 2% increase in 10 years in the likelihood of having my stuff burglared is insignificant.

It's fun to be outraged though. Here's to more outrage in 2014!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/30/flip-phone-return_n_4518592.html

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Fueled by Caffeine wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/30/flip-phone-return_n_4518592.html Germaine to this topic

True story. They didn't steal this kid's "Obama phone" either:

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/24209730/13-year-old-robbed-at-gunpoint-over-true-religion-jeans

I need a flip phone.

fasted58 wrote: something's wrong with the world today

Yup. We are constantly barraged by media messages of violence and doom. It is easier to sell fear than peace. Cast a wide net and it is easy to constantly find something to shock and frighten people.

N Sperlo wrote:

PHeller wrote: Having a kevlar vest on the other hand, would certainly make me more confident, because more than likely the bad guy does not.

Just makes you sweaty and appear to be beefier than you are.

Plus... you still need the chain mail vest under it to prevent a stab wound. And probably some deerskin under that to keep the chaffing to a minimum.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Plus... you still need the chain mail vest under it to prevent a stab wound. And probably some deerskin under that to keep the chaffing to a minimum.

Can't you just wear the deerskin? I mean seriously, who takes a Viking's phone?

I thought Kevlar protected against knives and other piercing objects? I mean, a 9mm with 382ft-lbs is a lot more than a knife at like...130 ft-lbs and thats a knife wielded by a large man with good reflexes and a near perfect swing, something I don't think would happen.

Another element as well would be the attacker's ability to hit you from a distance (like running away) with a gun, where as with a knife, you could intervene and retreat.

My go-to "save someones ass from getting beat up" tactic is to grab a chair and start swinging.

Bobzilla wrote: And how does that benefit this conversation? VIOLENT crimes have gone down. But in the last 10 years burglary has actually been on hte rise. Almost 2% since 2002. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1

Of the 8 types of crime tracked in that report, that is the only one to have seen an increase. The rest have gone down. 7/8 is pretty good.

I believe the original point was that there is actually less wrong with the world these days than in the past. The data you linked seems to support that.

PHeller wrote: I thought Kevlar protected against knives and other piercing objects? I mean, a 9mm with 382ft-lbs is a lot more than a knife at like...130 ft-lbs and thats a knife wielded by a large man with good reflexes and a near perfect swing, something I don't think would happen.

Knives and bullets work differently. Different materials are better at stopping them. A bullet is pretty much a tiny bludgeon that is high energy with low force behind it. The best way to stop it is with a material that will absorb the energy. A knife shears and is low energy but with relatively high force behind it. The best way to stop it is to deflect it.

Kevlar has high tensile strength, but is fairly easy to shear.

In the UK, police officers are much more likely to be stabbed than shot, so standard issue for British police is to wear stab-proof vests rather than the typical bullet-proof vests that American police wear. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab_vest

xflowgolf wrote:

Bobzilla wrote:

xflowgolf wrote: rabble rabble rabble statistically no worse off today than in years past. safer today actually. 24 hour instant online news from anywhere. scary.

And how does that benefit this conversation? VIOLENT crimes have gone down. But in the last 10 years burglary has actually been on hte rise. Almost 2% since 2002. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1

Because the typical response usually is this:

fasted58 wrote: something's wrong with the world today

...when in fact nothing more is wrong today than there ever was. it's just more in our face. By your own links admission, you're less likely to get your ass kicked, and in my book a 2% increase in 10 years in the likelihood of having my stuff burglared is insignificant. It's fun to be outraged though. Here's to more outrage in 2014!

Didn't go all serious w/ OMG emotional E36 M3 there.

They are song lyrics.

Given the high level of music content on GRM thought somebody might catch that but evidently not.

Lighten up.

Wow. In a situation like that, I would have reacted the same way. At least initially. Problem for the perps would be that I won't quit once I'm fueled by rage. You'll have to physically break me. Not tough guys talk, believe me, I don't dig violence.

fasted58 wrote:

xflowgolf wrote:

Bobzilla wrote:

xflowgolf wrote: rabble rabble rabble statistically no worse off today than in years past. safer today actually. 24 hour instant online news from anywhere. scary.

And how does that benefit this conversation? VIOLENT crimes have gone down. But in the last 10 years burglary has actually been on hte rise. Almost 2% since 2002. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1

Because the typical response usually is this:

fasted58 wrote: something's wrong with the world today

...when in fact nothing more is wrong today than there ever was. it's just more in our face. By your own links admission, you're less likely to get your ass kicked, and in my book a 2% increase in 10 years in the likelihood of having my stuff burglared is insignificant. It's fun to be outraged though. Here's to more outrage in 2014!

Didn't go all serious w/ OMG emotional E36 M3 there. They are song lyrics. Given the high level of music content on GRM thought somebody might catch that but evidently not. Lighten up.

If it helps, the instant I read that Steven Tyler's voice popped into my head with the rest of the song. Quickly followed by Don Henley's "Get Over it".

RX Reven' wrote: …these must be some pretty tough girls. I’m not a big guy or anything but I can’t imagine many 18 year old girls being conscious very long if I were to actually go flat out on them. I feel bad even thinking about it as attacking a woman is so disdainful but as they say, live by the sword - die by the sword.

A billy club makes for a wonderful force multiplier.

Bobzilla wrote:

fasted58 wrote:

xflowgolf wrote:

Bobzilla wrote:

xflowgolf wrote: rabble rabble rabble statistically no worse off today than in years past. safer today actually. 24 hour instant online news from anywhere. scary.

And how does that benefit this conversation? VIOLENT crimes have gone down. But in the last 10 years burglary has actually been on hte rise. Almost 2% since 2002. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1

Because the typical response usually is this:

fasted58 wrote: something's wrong with the world today

...when in fact nothing more is wrong today than there ever was. it's just more in our face. By your own links admission, you're less likely to get your ass kicked, and in my book a 2% increase in 10 years in the likelihood of having my stuff burglared is insignificant. It's fun to be outraged though. Here's to more outrage in 2014!

Didn't go all serious w/ OMG emotional E36 M3 there. They are song lyrics. Given the high level of music content on GRM thought somebody might catch that but evidently not. Lighten up.

If it helps, the instant I read that Steven Tyler's voice popped into my head with the rest of the song. Quickly followed by Don Henley's "Get Over it".

I don't know what it is...

I heard his voice, too.

xflowgolf wrote:

Fueled by Caffeine wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/30/flip-phone-return_n_4518592.html Germaine to this topic

True story. They didn't steal this kid's "Obama phone" either: http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/24209730/13-year-old-robbed-at-gunpoint-over-true-religion-jeans I need a flip phone.

why is a 13 year old wearing $800+ in clothes I wonder?

In reply to Travis_K:

Detroit has a huge salvation army, just saying.