My fundamental problem with Starship Trooper is that you don't use guns to kill bugs. You use Raid, which is what they did in the book...
My fundamental problem with Starship Trooper is that you don't use guns to kill bugs. You use Raid, which is what they did in the book...
Spanglish... Kept waiting for it to get funny
stroker wrote: My fundamental problem with Starship Trooper is that you don't use guns to kill bugs. You use Raid, which is what they did in the book...
You know, you kind of have a point. In the book, Rico mentions using guns on Bugs with the implication that it really wasn't worthwhile because "if you killed a thousand Bugs for every Marine lost, it was a net win for the Bugs". But the gas bombs they'd drop worked, with minimal loss of human life.
Interesting parallel, there. Shame i'd missed it.
Pearl Harbor. Up yours, Michael Bay. This was a real tragedy, involving real people. To marginalize this for the sake of a light weight love story, when there was intense drama to be found everywhere in that story, makes me hate this movie.
I stopped watching half way through and skipped right to the attack. I rented Tora! Tora! Tora! the next day.
I never knew starship troopers was a book.
And thank you for helping me set up my Netflix que. My job sucks so bad that im going to force myself to watch these movies at home. Hopefully it will make me look forward to going to work.
Dusterbd13 wrote: I never knew starship troopers was a book.
The movie was a kind of anti-military propaganda piece by a director who famously boasted that he never read the book.
The book was a kind of pro-military propaganda piece by an author who famously got hate mail over it right up until he died decades later.
Which is kind of interesting, because while the world is run deliberately by exclusively people who have served in the military (you can't vote or hold any kind of public office unless you've served in the military, and even then only after retirement), the book even gives no reason for this other than "the last system we had fell apart, this system still works, so we see no need to change it yet." with explicitly no rational reason why it should be that way. And it's not even really pro-military in a war sense, but more of a long and meandering story about questioning one's motives and morals. Also there is occasionally a bit where they go on drops, but most of that is focused on either functioning as a team or trying to function as a team leader.
Anyway, I can't stand movies where they deliberately ignore the source material.
not to 'jack the thread, but I just read a very similar book to Starship Troopers called "Terms of Enlistment". If you liked ST then you might give it a glance. 'jack done.
Knurled wrote:Dusterbd13 wrote: I never knew starship troopers was a book.The movie was a kind of anti-military propaganda piece by a director who famously boasted that he never read the book. The book was a kind of pro-military propaganda piece by an author who famously got hate mail over it right up until he died decades later. Which is kind of interesting, because while the world is run deliberately by exclusively people who have served in the military (you can't vote or hold any kind of public office unless you've served in the military, and even then only after retirement), the book even gives no reason for this other than "the last system we had fell apart, this system still works, so we see no need to change it yet." with explicitly no rational reason why it should be that way. And it's not even really pro-military in a war sense, but more of a long and meandering story about questioning one's motives and morals. Also there is occasionally a bit where they go on drops, but most of that is focused on either functioning as a team or trying to function as a team leader. Anyway, I can't stand movies where they deliberately ignore the source material.
Plus eleventybillion!!!11!!1
Knurled wrote: Anyway, I can't stand movies where they deliberately ignore the source material.
It depends. Kubrick ignored a lot of Stephen King's book when he made "The Shining", but the result is brilliant, IMO, even if King hates it.
And yes, I'm a fan of Starship Troopers. Both the book and the movie, though I don't think the book is Heinlein's best. That would be "Stranger in a Strange Land".
Tom_Spangler wrote:Knurled wrote: Anyway, I can't stand movies where they deliberately ignore the source material.It depends. Kubrick ignored a lot of Stephen King's book when he made "The Shining", but the result is brilliant, IMO, even if King hates it.
No. No, it's not. It's one of the most overrated movies of all time. 
IMHO, of course.
And I prefer The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress to Stranger, but between the two of them, one of them has to be Heinlein's best book.
"Hope Floats." Like many couples, my wife and I take turns selecting movies, and my wife picked this one, and it was so bad she turned it off midway and relinquished control of the TV to me. Chick flicks are often bad, but this one takes the cake. Turds float, too.
"Driven" is the worst auto-racing movie ever made, but I'd rather watch it twice than sit through the first hour of "Hope Floats" again.
I really don't give a rats flying left testicle if a movie is 100% accurate to a book or ignores the source material completely. As long as it's a good stand alone movie it's fine with me. Starship troopers sucked as a movie, but was a great book. The further you go into the Jason Bourne movies the further they are divorced from the books to the point where there is nothing in common but the name of some characters. What about the James Bond movies? Skyfall was one of the best movies, but was never a bond book, but borrowed odd bits from other Bond books. Quantum of Solace, View to a Kill, OctoBob Costas, For your eyes only borrowed titles but that's it. Moonraker, Diamonds, Live and let die etc kinda borrowed some themes and characters.
TL;DR … but couldn't the FIFA move make this list ? several million $$$ to produce and it grossed less than $1000 the first weekend ….
Tom_Spangler wrote: It depends. Kubrick ignored a lot of Stephen King's book when he made "The Shining", but the result is brilliant, IMO, even if King hates it.
On the other hand, at least he knew what was in it. He just couldn't come up with the special effects to pull off the ending as written.
Condensing a book into a movie often doesn't allow getting everything done exactly as it was on the page. But Stanley Kubrick at least had respect for the source material that time around.
Dr. Strangelove may be a better example - Kubrick tried to do a serious treatment of a book and found that no matter how he tried to script it, the story came up unintentionally funny. It's arguably also a much better example of how to satirize militarism.
Knurled wrote: The book was a kind of pro-military propaganda piece by an author who famously got hate mail over it right up until he died decades later. Which is kind of interesting, because while the world is run deliberately by exclusively people who have served in the military (you can't vote or hold any kind of public office unless you've served in the military, and even then only after retirement), the book even gives no reason for this other than "the last system we had fell apart, this system still works, so we see no need to change it yet." with explicitly no rational reason why it should be that way. And it's not even really pro-military in a war sense, but more of a long and meandering story about questioning one's motives and morals. Also there is occasionally a bit where they go on drops, but most of that is focused on either functioning as a team or trying to function as a team leader.
Remember, Heinlien was former military himself, and got into SF writing by writing short stories for the old Boys Life magazine. Starship Troopers is a juvenile book and was mostly about growing up. At least that's how I've always read it. It's also about being military.
Heinlein was already getting the hate mail from the various pro/anti types by the time he wrote Starship Troopers.
In reply to foxtrapper:
If you're getting hate mail from everyone, you're probably doing it right...
I bought the book on kindle last night because of this discussion.
And I loved the movie because of how E36 M3ty it was. Love the b rate sci fi and horror flicks.
In reply to nderwater:
Bringing direct to video kids movies into this? That's bringing a nuke to a knife fight.
Adrian_Thompson wrote: OctoBob Costas
I am intrigued, please continue...
'The Men Who Stare At Goats'. I wanted to hunt down everyone involved with that turd.
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