I totally agree with that complaint, in fact, we should agree upon a tie before the game to avoid any hurt feelings. Maybe buy everyone a trophy in advance? And agree to the plays beforehand so the kids can stay on the bench and not risk getting hurt.
Maroon92 wrote:HappyAndy wrote: WARNING: TREADJACK & POSSIBLE FLOUNDER! I hate high school football. I think its the biggest waste of taxpayer money that a local government could ever create for it's citizens. I know in states like Texass I could be jailed for that statement, but I stand firmly by it. If youth football were funded entirely by private money, I'd see no problem with that. Same goes for other inherently costly sports like hockey. Back on topic, I see no bullying here. Get over it.Without wanting to be "that guy", most high school football programs are money MAKERS for schools. When I was in high school, the football program helped fund all of the other sports that nobody would pay to watch (like tennis and golf). Sure, there are some costs to the school, like building a field and bleachers, but I'm sure in those big states (like Texas), HS Saturday night football rakes in the cash.
I know that most colleges, Football, and the revenue from it, pays for the rest of the sports. Basketball might break even.
Obviuosly does not apply for stuff such as Duke Basketball.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: We have a $5M football stadium for the local high school. They have another 2 fields behind the school for practice. The coach isn't a teacher. He is a football coach that gets paid a salary. They did not sell any berkeleying cookies for that. It came out of tax money. My beef isn't with the game of football at all. It is the lopsided allocation of funds to something that only maybe 100 students, all male, out of 3000 kids can participate in and due to recent cuts in spending... is untouched. It might as well be the US defense budget.
Just one question. Is your school board elected? If so, then hopefully you are getting what you and the voters around you wanted.
Toyman01 wrote: Just one question. Is your school board elected? If so, then hopefully you are getting what you and the voters around you wanted.
They are the same cronies that were in there when I moved in.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:Toyman01 wrote: Just one question. Is your school board elected? If so, then hopefully you are getting what you and the voters around you wanted.They are the same cronies that were in there when I moved in.
That crony school boardeism, man it's a problem. Good luck.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: We have a $5M football stadium for the local high school. .....The coach isn't a teacher. He is a football coach that gets paid a salary. .... It came out of tax money. ...... It might as well be the US defense budget.
Do you live in Ridley Park PA? This all sounds very familiar to me....nearly a 75% property tax increase over not that many years for a new HS with a football stadium (and separate practice field), that some colleges would be envious of. Atleast that school district provides a good education. The ghetto fiefdom that I live in, just a few miles away is a whole different story.
I don't have a problem with my taxes funding athletics or arts, but I do have a problem with how much football costs, and tbe fact that it seems to be sacred, and funded at all costs, at the expense of other activities that benifit more children.
I like DrBoost's idea of student athletes paying to play, but sadly, I suspect that there are legal reasons why that couldn't fly in public schools.
BTW, I've never heard of any HS charging admission to football games, at least not in any of the places that I've lived. I've also never heard of anyone having to pay, or be involved in fundraisers for football, other HS activities yes, but not football.
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HappyAndy wrote:Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: We have a $5M football stadium for the local high school. .....The coach isn't a teacher. He is a football coach that gets paid a salary. .... It came out of tax money. ...... It might as well be the US defense budget.Do you live in Ridley Park PA? This all sounds very familiar to me....nearly a 75% property tax increase over not that many years for a new HS with a football stadium (and separate practice field), that some colleges would be envious of. Atleast that school district provides a good education. The ghetto fiefdom that I live in, just a few miles away is a whole different story. I don't have a problem with my taxes funding athletics or arts, but I do have a problem with how much football costs, and tbe fact that it seems to be sacred, and funded at all costs, at the expense of other activities that benifit more children. I like DrBoost's idea of student athletes paying to play, but sadly, I suspect that there are legal reasons why that couldn't fly in public schools. BTW, I've never heard of any HS charging admission to football games, at least not in any of the places that I've lived. I've also never heard of anyone having to pay, or be involved in fundraisers for football, other HS activities yes, but not football. .
All high schools around here charge admission. Students at my high school could opt to buy an activities pass for $50 that got you into all the sports games.
The local schools charge between $5-$10 a head for fb games here. That money pays most of the expenses for the entire athletics department. They also do fund raising.
Maroon92 wrote:HappyAndy wrote: WARNING: TREADJACK & POSSIBLE FLOUNDER! I hate high school football. I think its the biggest waste of taxpayer money that a local government could ever create for it's citizens. I know in states like Texass I could be jailed for that statement, but I stand firmly by it. If youth football were funded entirely by private money, I'd see no problem with that. Same goes for other inherently costly sports like hockey. Back on topic, I see no bullying here. Get over it.Without wanting to be "that guy", most high school football programs are money MAKERS for schools. When I was in high school, the football program helped fund all of the other sports that nobody would pay to watch (like tennis and golf). Sure, there are some costs to the school, like building a field and bleachers, but I'm sure in those big states (like Texas), HS Saturday night football rakes in the cash. I tend to agree that programs like these are slightly less important when we have a nationwide average dropout rate over 20%. I also read recently that nearly 15% of HS GRADUATES are functionally illiterate. Something seems wrong there.
You can't make them learn.......this is my gripe with using dropout rates and such, if they don't want to put forth the effort, they won't. End of story. Doesn't matter what anyone does, nor how much money you literally throw into the abyss at it, this is also why the "No child left behind" law is idiotic.
yamaha wrote: You can't make them learn.......this is my gripe with using dropout rates and such, if they don't want to put forth the effort, they won't. End of story. Doesn't matter what anyone does, nor how much money you literally throw into the abyss at it,
Which is why Chicago Public Schools have high dropout rates, and the suburbs and private schools don't. People in the city who can't afford to go to private schools clearly just don't want to learn.
In reply to mtn:
Can't tell if you're being moronic or sarcastic.
That said and regardless of location, if the parent(s) and the immediate social structure aren't focused on education, the kids won't be either.
That, along with a myriad of other (negative) influences.
HappyAndy wrote:Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: We have a $5M football stadium for the local high school. .....The coach isn't a teacher. He is a football coach that gets paid a salary. .... It came out of tax money. ...... It might as well be the US defense budget.Do you live in Ridley Park PA? This all sounds very familiar to me....nearly a 75% property tax increase over not that many years for a new HS with a football stadium (and separate practice field), that some colleges would be envious of. Atleast that school district provides a good education. The ghetto fiefdom that I live in, just a few miles away is a whole different story. I don't have a problem with my taxes funding athletics or arts, but I do have a problem with how much football costs, and tbe fact that it seems to be sacred, and funded at all costs, at the expense of other activities that benifit more children.
had the same issue when I lived in Sinking Spring PA. The Local HS's claim to fame was how many kids they have sent to the big leagues and to the Olympics. They got so far as wanting to build a domed stadium, but the locals finally stood up and said enough.
When I lived there, the HS Football star had his life ruined. He hurt his knee in a game and neither the coach or his parents would let him take time off to let it heal. By the end of the football season, he was having surgery to have it fused. Nice way to destroy your kid's future at age 17
mtn wrote:yamaha wrote: You can't make them learn.......this is my gripe with using dropout rates and such, if they don't want to put forth the effort, they won't. End of story. Doesn't matter what anyone does, nor how much money you literally throw into the abyss at it,Which is why Chicago Public Schools have high dropout rates, and the suburbs and private schools don't. People in the city who can't afford to go to private schools clearly just don't want to learn.
I sure hope you are joking a bit.....
oldsaw wrote: In reply to mtn: Can't tell if you're being moronic or sarcastic.
yamaha wrote:mtn wrote:I sure hope you are joking a bit.....yamaha wrote: You can't make them learn.......this is my gripe with using dropout rates and such, if they don't want to put forth the effort, they won't. End of story. Doesn't matter what anyone does, nor how much money you literally throw into the abyss at it,Which is why Chicago Public Schools have high dropout rates, and the suburbs and private schools don't. People in the city who can't afford to go to private schools clearly just don't want to learn.
Yes, that was sarcasm. I worked with kids who went to, and dropped out of CPS. Yes, some of the responsibility lies with the parents. But the education that they got was just so bad, the teachers so bad, that there was very little point in them going to school.
I've also had classes with kids who graduated near the top of their class in CPS. Smart kids. The papers they wrote? I wouldn't have turned in in 3rd grade.
GPS, have you ever heard of Title IX?
HappyAndy wrote: Do you live in Ridley Park PA? This all sounds very familiar to me....nearly a 75% property tax increase over not that many years for a new HS with a football stadium (and separate practice field), that some colleges would be envious of. Atleast that school district provides a good education. The ghetto fiefdom that I live in, just a few miles away is a whole different story.
Man, has that area changed over the years. When I was growing up (late 70's/early 80's), my grandparents lived in Swathmore/Springfield. It was a really nice area, my grandfather used to take me all around that part of Delco. Then I lived in Glenolden in the '90's. Not terrible, but not great. Now, there are still some good areas, but a lot of it has really gone downhill.
The high school in the school district we're in now (Montgomery/Berks County, PA area) charges $5 for football...but their field is pro level stuff.
pinchvalve wrote: I totally agree with that complaint, in fact, we should agree upon a tie before the game to avoid any hurt feelings. Maybe buy everyone a trophy in advance?
You thought you were being sarcastic, didn't you? Well, the above part is reality. My kids play youth soccer, it's for ages 5-8 or something like that. They don't keep score, so there is no winner/loser. Therefore, they also don't track a teams' record. At the end of the year everyone gets the same trophy. I understand wanting to pat all the kids on the back and say "Great job", but this is waaaaay over the line.
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