This is still America right?

Wow. I believe I'd be finding me a kickass lawyer to start redressin' some mothaberkeleyin grievances.

In reply to poopshovel:

Oh its gonna happen. That was some bull E36 M3.

I didn't read his FB page as I am not a participant but I found this link to what the news thinks is crazy talk from the guy: http://wtvr.com/2012/08/21/full-text-brandon-raubs-proclamation-take-our-republic-back/

If that is enough to get you put in the nut house - this board is probably about to be involved in a massive sweep operation.

Imagine what sort of message a diesel miata sends if that is "crazy talk".

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I didn't read his FB page as I am not a participant but I found this link to what the news thinks is crazy talk from the guy: http://wtvr.com/2012/08/21/full-text-brandon-raubs-proclamation-take-our-republic-back/ If that is enough to get you put in the nut house - this board is probably about to be involved in a massive sweep operation. Imagine what sort of message a diesel miata sends if that is "crazy talk".

Dude is a little paranoid. Locking him up for his thoughts...that should help. He should be far less paranoid about the government now.

In reply to Otto Maddox:

As usual I am going to go out on a limb and say there was probably much more to this than FB posts.

Curmudgeon wrote: As usual I am going to go out on a limb and say there was probably much more to this than FB posts.

A judge disagrees.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: From today's news: HOPEWELL, Va. (WTVR) – A Hopewell circuit court judge has ordered that a Marine veteran detained over anti-government Facebook posts be released from a psychiatric hospital. CBS 6 News’ Catie Beck said the Judge Allan Sharrett dismissed the case Thursday against Brandon Raub. The judge said the original petition for Raub’s detention contained no facts. In other words, there was no information on why Raub was being held — and the judge deemed this violated his civil liberties. As a result, the judge ruled the government had no grounds to hold Raub. Full story: http://wtvr.com/2012/08/23/brandon-raub-judge-orders-release-of-detained-marine-veteran-freed/

The judge says there were no facts in the original petition. He does not say who filed the petition or what was contained in it.

Similar news story here:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/23/va-judge-orders-release-detained-veteran/

Might want to pull yer horns back in till The Smoking Gun releases copies of the actual petition so the actual allegations are revealed.

In reply to Curmudgeon:

No horns - a judge released him after determining there was no reason to hold him. That is a fact. I'm not speculating on whether he is crazy. He didn't do anything directly illegal or he would have been charged with a crime so "threats" that were eluded to from his FB posts were not really threats.

I am very interested to see what they had - a little transparency from the feds would be nice. If he was making people uncomfortable and they did this as a reaction then I hope he sues the bejezus out of them. If they had some defendable position then - out with it already.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: If that is enough to get you put in the nut house - this board is probably about to be involved in a massive sweep operation. Imagine what sort of message a diesel miata sends if that is "crazy talk".

It comes off as batE36 M3 crazy........

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: In reply to Curmudgeon: No horns - a judge released him after determining there was no reason to hold him. That is a fact. I'm not speculating on whether he is crazy. He didn't do anything directly illegal or he would have been charged with a crime so "threats" that were eluded to from his FB posts were not really threats. I am very interested to see what they had - a little transparency from the feds would be nice. If he was making people uncomfortable and they did this as a reaction then I hope he sues the bejezus out of them. If they had some defendable position then - out with it already.

You are exactly right. But there's still the unfortunate (in this case) 'medical privacy' statute. They may not be able to release that information. Now, Brandon Raub can release it if he so chooses.

I don't always wait until page 7 to post, but when I do, it's always on page 7.

I don't think they can detain me for that. Yet.

EastCoastMojo wrote: I don't always wait until page 7 to post, but when I do, it's always on page 7. I don't think they can detain me for that. Yet.

Then again: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-garrison/martial-law-under-another_b_1370819.html

Not surprising

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: In reply to Curmudgeon: No horns - a judge released him after determining there was no reason to hold him. That is a fact.

Well, not exactly. The fact is that the petition did not have pertinent information in it. That doesn't mean that there is no reason to hold him, just that the petition did not have that information if it exists. It could be there's no reason or it could be a clerical error. Lots of people are released on the basis of clerical errors by police or prosecutors.

I'm personally glad to see a judge stand up and say "To arrest^ someone you have to have a valid legal reason." Personally, I hope Mr Raub enjoys a nice paycheck from the FBI, CIA, etc. We'll pay it as taxpayers which riles me but maybe it will make those agencies think twice before taking another step in the direction of a police state. We don't have a KGB yet.

^ - legally I know it wasn't an arrest. I will say if it walks like a duck, quakes like a duck, it's a duck. I'm not splitting hairs here for the sake of lawyers or to give the government cover. White is not a darker shade of black.

Xceler8x wrote: We don't have a KGB yet.

The Department of Homeland Security makes a suitable stand-in for the purpose of discussion.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

Xceler8x wrote: We don't have a KGB yet.

The Department of Homeland Security makes a suitable stand-in for the purpose of discussion.

There's nothing like some fired up rhetoric.

Curmudgeon wrote:

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

Xceler8x wrote: We don't have a KGB yet.

The Department of Homeland Security makes a suitable stand-in for the purpose of discussion.

There's nothing like some fired up rhetoric.

Shhhh. Can't let the thread die until Margie locks it.

4cylndrfury wrote: Ive felt for a long time that the whole 2 party system is designed not to allow for healthy debate and a variety of ideas, nor has it established itself as a "check & balance" type situation...its been foisted upon us to keep us busy arguing over who is right or wrong. It keeps ideas to a minimum - youre either with us or against us ("US" Being whoever has the most henchmen doing the dirty-work in office at the time). If we are busy arguing over which hate monger mongered the most recent hate, we wont notice whats happening behind the scenes if we only just took a moment to peak behind the curtain. ... remember the chick-filla gay rights debat? Same type of stuff (for those who cant remeber what I consider one of my masterpieces, here is a refresher)

Someone finally got it right.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

Curmudgeon wrote:

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

Xceler8x wrote: We don't have a KGB yet.

The Department of Homeland Security makes a suitable stand-in for the purpose of discussion.

There's nothing like some fired up rhetoric.

Shhhh. Can't let the thread die until Margie locks it.

[my dad] 'If the cops didn't shut it down it was a crappy party.' [/my dad]

bravenrace wrote:

93EXCivic wrote: In reply to PHeller: I don't want to live in your America.

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