This'll turn young'ns into gearheads for sure!

Mom & Dad's car will soon have parental controls!

http://www.wired.com/2015/05/people-spoken-put-parental-controls-cars/

They'll have their own beaters and/or be hacking CANbus interfaces before the end of the year!

"(Surprisingly, 81 percent of drivers aged 18 to 24 were in favor here.) "

what kind of morons did they interview.

I resent their opening statement.

Fueled by Caffeine wrote: "(Surprisingly, 81 percent of drivers aged 18 to 24 were in favor here.) " what kind of morons did they interview.

Millennials, of course. These are the same idiots who want self driving cars and can't fathom life without a smartphone or tablet. No surprise here.

Fueled by Caffeine wrote: "(Surprisingly, 81 percent of drivers aged 18 to 24 were in favor here.) " what kind of morons did they interview.

I dunno, that's creepy...

Edit: BTW I don't know any millennial who would want this sort of thing, especially the irresponsible phone addicts!

G_Body_Man wrote: I resent their opening statement.

At least you are on the 'good' end of it. Statistics would have you believe that the only way to get better at driving would be to get older.

UNTIL you get so old the only way to get better at driving is to get younger.

I can see the day when through GPS your location will be known and the speed of that road will be known and the car will not be able to drive faster than that speed. Thre should be an override of some sort similar to a push to pass button or something.

In many respects I have often wanted something when I drive in unfamiliar that would flash the speed limit and your actual speed on a HUD. Make it big and in your face not just an after thought in the corner of your vision. At very least have some sort of annoying beeping or something that will warn you if you are exceeding the speed limit. This actually exists on my Garmin GPS but it not annoying enough and does not catch my attention that well. It needs to be much more in your face and it should be built in to cars.

My Garmin (and my daughter's) have that as well. Pretty neat feature but it does not work everywhere.

I don't think that anyone appreciates the nightmare that is on the horizon with the "Good Driver" monitors that insurance companies are offering nowadays.

These gizmos record every move you make and report back to the company who is supposed to adjust your rates on a regular basis based on what is reported. If you drive few miles, never accelerate and take corners at low speed, you get a discount.

The reality is that this will soon go from being reward motivated to penalty driven for those that do not have them.

http://qz.com/230055/car-insurance-companies-want-to-track-your-every-move-and-youre-going-to-let-them/

In my version of the world there is no evil worse than that which comes disguised as Good, and this fits my description of greed masquerading as humanitarianism. No different than asking for DNA samples at birth so that they can exclude coverage.

It might be a good time to start building a spoof device for this market.

NOHOME wrote: I don't think that anyone appreciates the nightmare that is on the horizon with the "Good Driver" monitors that insurance companies are offering nowadays. These gizmos record every move you make and report back to the company who is supposed to adjust your rates on a regular basis based on what is reported. If you drive few miles, never accelerate and take corners at low speed, you get a discount. The reality is that this will soon go from being reward motivated to penalty driven for those that do not have them. http://qz.com/230055/car-insurance-companies-want-to-track-your-every-move-and-youre-going-to-let-them/ In my version of the world there is no evil worse than that which comes disguised as Good, and this fits my description of greed masquerading as humanitarianism. No different than asking for DNA samples at birth so that they can exclude coverage. It might be a good time to start building a spoof device for this market.

and people wonder why I want a bigger boat...

It’s also possible that the government might step in and try to regulate these features—either to require or restrict them—for better or worse, as one more step towards a safer and more autonomous future.

dean1484 wrote: In many respects I have often wanted something when I drive in unfamiliar that would flash the speed limit and your actual speed on a HUD. Make it big and in your face not just an after thought in the corner of your vision.

BMW's with the high end navigation packages already do this. Its quite nice to know whenyou are off in smaller towns with speed traps.

Actually, I don't have a problem with the idea of the owner being able to restrict a car. You can't deny that young drivers and cars are a dangerous combo, and limiting the car while a young driver is behind the wheel is logical. A lot of areas already have legal restrictions on what new drivers can do, from driving at night to driving alone. If I were the parent of a teen, I'd probably prefer the car was nannyfied over having to ride with them everywhere. It's basically a valet mode. Implementation would be an interesting challenge, how exactly do you restrict the car?

Yes, yes, we all survived. But not everyone did. And while active and passive safety systems have improved tremendously, allowing bad drivers to survive where they once did not, overall performance has skyrocketed. So that's probably what I'd look for, a lowered power level and non-defeatable stability controls, tied to a specific key. Maybe a limit on the volume on the stereo. Some sort of haptic or audible feedback if the driver has only one hand on the wheel for more than 15 seconds would probably be pretty effective at cutting down on cellphone use.

It's not the enthusiast kids we need to worry about. The ones that care about driving are the ones who pay attention and try to become better. If your kid knows what an apex is, this isn't for them. It's the ones that don't care and don't pay attention.

wearymicrobe wrote:

dean1484 wrote: In many respects I have often wanted something when I drive in unfamiliar that would flash the speed limit and your actual speed on a HUD. Make it big and in your face not just an after thought in the corner of your vision.

BMW's with the high end navigation packages already do this. Its quite nice to know whenyou are off in smaller towns with speed traps.

You can set a speed alarm in our 2002 BMW. It's not tied to GPS, it just dings when you exceed it. The funny part is that you set it by driving at that speed and pressing a button. It's tempting to use it as a high score indicator...

Where's a Big Brother picture? Aw berkeley it. I'll just use this one for old time sake.

Wired said: It’s also possible that the government might step in and try to regulate these features—

Greaaaaaat... I'm sure that will be extremely helpful and well thought out

stanger_missle wrote:

Wired said: It’s also possible that the government might step in and try to regulate these features—

Greaaaaaat... I'm sure that will be extremely helpful and well thought out

Yeah...cau$e we all know that the in$surance indu$stry doe$ not lobby Wa$hington in any fa$hion that would benefit the indu$try over the cu$tomer.

I feel like I am in good hand$.

NOHOME wrote: These gizmos record every move you make and report back to the company who is supposed to adjust your rates on a regular basis based on what is reported. If you drive few miles, never accelerate and take corners at low speed, you get a discount.

I've never been in an accident or been pulled over but I'd fall far short of this standard of "safe driving."

BlueInGreen44 wrote:

NOHOME wrote: These gizmos record every move you make and report back to the company who is supposed to adjust your rates on a regular basis based on what is reported. If you drive few miles, never accelerate and take corners at low speed, you get a discount.

I've never been in an accident or been pulled over but I'd fall far short of this standard of "safe driving."

Almost the same here...I've only been pulled over once for speeding, been the victim of a couple minor fender-benders and caused one in a parking lot (all too minor to be worth reporting), but to one of those little boxes I'd look like I should have the most expensive insurance premiums on four wheels.

Yet another reason to drive things that are too old for this crap to work. I wonder if it will work on all OBD2 vehicles, the insurance thing that is.

Curmudgeon wrote:

Fueled by Caffeine wrote: "(Surprisingly, 81 percent of drivers aged 18 to 24 were in favor here.) " what kind of morons did they interview.

Millennials, of course. These are the same idiots who want self driving cars and can't fathom life without a smartphone or tablet. No surprise here.

First, stop blaming Millenials. There are different definitions of Millenials out there from those born 1980ish to 2000ish, to those coming of age around the Millenium. We're onto Eco Boomers now, they are the one who will be learning to drive of the next few years.

Also it doesn't surprise me there are so many young people in favor of this. I think most stupidity is down to peer pressure, kids being egged on to stupidity by friends in the car. It may be a RELIEF for a young guy to say, sorry, I can't do burnouts or the stoplight drags with you as my parents have restricted the car. I'd love to but it's not possible.

Don't take this mean I'm 100% in favor of this though. Give me the ability to prevent my teen to text, have the radio super loud etc, but limiting the performance is probably a bad idea, and not helpful. All of my 'young driver' accidents in the mid 80's were of the cornering speed overcoming my skill and confidence, not of going too fast. Not that a 39hp Hillman Imp could go fast, but it sure could corner fast, just not as fast as I thought.

BTW, GPS location isn't needed from cars. Every parent can set that up on their kids smartphone so you don't need big brother built into the car.

singleslammer wrote: Yet another reason to drive things that are too old for this crap to work. I wonder if it will work on all OBD2 vehicles, the insurance thing that is.

One of those insurance boxes could get all the info they need if they were mounted on an MFI diesel - they have a GPS receiver and accelerometers on board. With those they can theoretically get where you drive and how fast, and record the details of your acceleration, braking and cornering (and with a yaw sensor, which some likely have already since they're often packaged on-chip with a 3-axis accelerometer, your slip angle). The boxes on the market right now don't record where you drive but there's nothing keeping it from happening.

Adrian_Thompson wrote:

Curmudgeon wrote:

Fueled by Caffeine wrote: "(Surprisingly, 81 percent of drivers aged 18 to 24 were in favor here.) " what kind of morons did they interview.

Millennials, of course. These are the same idiots who want self driving cars and can't fathom life without a smartphone or tablet. No surprise here.

First, stop blaming Millenials. There are different definitions of Millenials out there from those born 1980ish to 2000ish, to those coming of age around the Millenium.

Thank you for saying it in a much more polite way than I was going to.

I took the day off yesterday to go watch OLOA, but I hate cars.

Good thing I was born in 1979! I just missed being a melenial! If I had been born in 1980 I think the grm forum would hate me. Damn the younger generation! Get off my lawn!

Joey

Adrian_Thompson wrote:

Curmudgeon wrote:

Fueled by Caffeine wrote: "(Surprisingly, 81 percent of drivers aged 18 to 24 were in favor here.) " what kind of morons did they interview.

Millennials, of course. These are the same idiots who want self driving cars and can't fathom life without a smartphone or tablet. No surprise here.

First, stop blaming Millenials. There are different definitions of Millenials out there from those born 1980ish to 2000ish, to those coming of age around the Millenium. We're onto Eco Boomers now, they are the one who will be learning to drive of the next few years. Also it doesn't surprise me there are so many young people in favor of this. I think most stupidity is down to peer pressure, kids being egged on to stupidity by friends in the car. It may be a RELIEF for a young guy to say, sorry, I can't do burnouts or the stoplight drags with you as my parents have restricted the car. I'd love to but it's not possible. Don't take this mean I'm 100% in favor of this though. Give me the ability to prevent my teen to text, have the radio super loud etc, but limiting the performance is probably a bad idea, and not helpful. All of my 'young driver' accidents in the mid 80's were of the cornering speed overcoming my skill and confidence, not of going too fast. Not that a 39hp Hillman Imp could go fast, but it sure could corner fast, just not as fast as I thought. BTW, GPS location isn't needed from cars. Every parent can set that up on their kids smartphone so you don't need big brother built into the car.

I'm blaming the Millenials in the 18-21 group mentioned in the article. They've grown up so coddled by all these magic electronics that it's no wonder they want something or someone else to make decisions for them. I see it in some of my daughter's friends; they just can't be bothered to put out any effort. My daughter is expected to use good judgment (and I know that's in short supply), as a matter of fact she got her first (and hopefully last) speeding ticket. I hated it, but at the same time she now has had the lesson driven home by someone other than Dad that there is a consequence to her decisions and actions.

In fact, she is the exception to her friends; she works to pay her car costs and similar things. Most of her friends in that age group don't. I've had to counsel her not to become their 'bus service', if they don't want to chip in for gas etc then their parents can drive them around.