wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe PowerDork
8/26/24 2:10 p.m.

On Sunday my big garage door broke the right side spring clean through. This was replaced about 12 years ago as part of the purchase of the home. Local guys are quoting me 1100$ to swap the two springs and will be here in six days. Even the smaller craigslists guys are asking 400 a side. 

I understand the safety aspects of replacing springs like this but is there any reason I should NOT do this myself. Parts are only 190$ for a matched pair locally, with the two installation bars with the 60K use rating. 

EDIT 

I need to replace the springs that site on the top of the door, they are coiled 0.234 x 2 x 27 inch springs. Not the ones that are on the sides of the door I don;t have that style. 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
8/26/24 2:27 p.m.

That much? Granted this was during the pandemic, but I paid less than a hundred bucks a side. That included spring and labor. 

APEowner
APEowner GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
8/26/24 2:36 p.m.

I replaced one of mine last year and it was really pretty simple.  It was so simple that I don't really have any tips.  I found the pre-load instructions on line and worked carefully.  I think the total repair took less than an hour. 

Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter)
Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
8/26/24 2:37 p.m.

I did a high lift with a ddm garage kit and the spring work wasnt hard at all. Getting the right springs and winding specs for your door is key. 

DrMikeCSI
DrMikeCSI Reader
8/26/24 3:12 p.m.

Mine was replaced by professionals for $225 in 2021. 

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe PowerDork
8/26/24 3:17 p.m.

Ok sounds like I can just give it a shot myself tomorrow. 

iansane
iansane GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/26/24 3:27 p.m.

Just be careful. Those springs end up under a lot of tension after winding a few times. Slipping while winding it up and you could lose an appendage. Pretty straight forward replacement though.

grover
grover GRM+ Memberand Dork
8/26/24 3:31 p.m.

Pretty simple but be careful. Kindof like compressing coil springs. 

OLDYLR
OLDYLR GRM+ Memberand Dork
8/26/24 3:45 p.m.

I paid the man when mine broke.  Heard too many bad things

mtn
mtn MegaDork
8/26/24 4:17 p.m.

Damp blanket time. 

What is your hourly income? What are your retirement funds gaining in dividends/growth on an average day? What is your free time worth? And, is this something you're going to enjoy doing?

I believe you can do this safely. But with your net worth and income, this sounds awfully similar to Larry Bird doing his moms driveway himself. Is it really worth it? I bet you could put that time into finding a car to flip, have more fun doing it, and make up the $900 difference to have the pros do it. 

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
8/26/24 4:18 p.m.

The most important thing is to stay out of the path of  bar's rotation. Especially your head.

stuart in mn
stuart in mn MegaDork
8/26/24 5:37 p.m.

I'm surprised at the price you got as well.  I've done it myself and I've paid to have it done, and it was cheap enough here I didn't mind hiring it out.  It can be hazardous, but a handy person taking precautions can do it without problems.

clutchsmoke
clutchsmoke UberDork
8/26/24 7:06 p.m.

He's in SoCal so I imagine labor rates are higher due to high COL.

This is one of those things that I'm sure I could DIY, but the risk involved if I screw it up is really high.

914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
8/26/24 7:31 p.m.

Can you 86 the torsion springs for standard coils?  DO NOT forget the safety cable.  Mine failed as I was inside, sounds like a gun going off!  Without the cables I'm sure it would have gone through the back wall.

gearheadmb
gearheadmb UltraDork
8/27/24 10:12 a.m.

My dad had his own business installing and fixing garage doors, so I spent my childhood doing this kind of stuff. These memories are also about 25 years old so take it with a grain of salt.

**Note, this is not me telling you to do it, just describing how I would do it** Aperson has to be somewhat strong for this. Not abnormally strong, but if you can't lift about 50 lbs over your head then probably don't mess with it.**

Step one is unwinding the remaining spring. Put the winding rod in the horizontal hole. Make sure you are all the way in, you don't want it slipping out on you. Lift the rod slightly until you see the cables get a little slack. Now while holding the winding rod firmly, loosen the two set screws in the end of the spring. You are in charge now. Lower the winding rod until it is pointed down, (if at any point in this process you need a break you can lower the rod all the way until it touches the door and let the rod rest against garage door)put the second rod in the next horizontal hole, remove the first rod, lower the second rod, repeat until the spring is completely unwound. 

[If the other spring is intact, like say you are replacing the whole door, now you would have to repeat the unwinding process on the other spring.]

Step two, removal. Remove the bearing bracket (stamped steel piece with the tube bearing) it should have a couple bolts to the track and a lag bolt or two into the wall. Slide it off. Remove the drum (the part the cable wraps around) it has two set screws like the spring had. Slide it off. Unbolt the springs from the center bracket. Slide the spring off. I remove parts from one side then replace them before starting removal on the other side. You may struggle because the set screws can kind of mangle the tube a bit. Use a file to round down the high spots before reassembly if you need to.

Step three, Install. Pretty much reverse order. The springs and the drums have a left and a right and if mix them up you're gonna have a bad time. The ones we used had LH parts painted red and RH painted black. I don't know if that's industry standard or still that way.

Bolt the new springs to the center bracket. Put the drums on but leave them loose. Bolt on the bearing brackets. Make sure the tube has the same amount sticking out on both sides, eyeball is close enough. 

Step four, Winding. Hopefully the springs you buy tell you how many turns you need to wind them. That number is complete rounds, so I multiply that by 4 to get the number of "holes" I have to wind. Put the rod in the bottom facing hole, lift it to horizontal, count one, put the other rod in the bottom hole, lift to horizontal, count two. Repeat until you reach the number of turns determined by manufacturer. Once you reach that number put a rod in the bottom hole and let that rod rest against the door. 

Now go to the end of the door, hook the cable to the drum, roll the drum to pull the cable tight. (It doesnt have to be TIGHT, just snug, its more important to have both sides fairly even.) Make sure the cable is in its groove. Tighten drum set screws. Now do the same on the other drum.

Go back to the spring that you wound. Tighten the set screws. Put the rod in the horizontal hole and lift just enough to remove the bottom winding rod. Gently lower the upper winding rod. The cables should get tight and the winding rod should get loose. That spring is done. 

Go wind the other spring the same number of turns. Tighten the set screws. You should be done. 

Put a little oil on the spring coils every six months or so. 

**Again, that's just me saying how I would do it, not telling you to do it.***

I PM'ed you my phone number in case you run into any snags that I didn't cover.

93gsxturbo
93gsxturbo UberDork
8/27/24 2:05 p.m.

I always DIY them.  I dont make $900/hr.  Anyone with at least 3 brain cells and a shred of mechanical aptitude has a greater chance of dying in a car accident on the way to Home Derpo than by some rogue spring making their garage look like a scene from Final Destination.  

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe PowerDork
8/30/24 12:10 a.m.

Ok so these doors have always been loud even after professional service. 
 

so today I did the math on the doors to make sure I got the right spring, I did. Took the old ones out put the new ones in. Did a full door balance using the scales and holding it at the right height to see if it holds. Took me about a hour to get the tension just right. Before the garage door opener would buck and rock every time we opened the door. Now you cannot even see it move. 
 

This is hands down the quietest and smoothest these door have ever run. Even my wife was surprised how good they were. 
 

I pulled up the original repair quote and tons of notes about how noisy the doors are and how we should replace everything to get them as good as they are now. No dipE36 M3 you need to balance the springs properly for the weight of the insulation on the doors. Pissed I did not do this earlier. I also lubed everything after I confirmed it was working correctly. 
 

so very happy I did the job. Now I have to do the other door so it works as nice. I hate when "professionals" do E36 M3 like this. If they had just said we need an extra hour to get it right I would have paid.  Also according to my GC neighbor after showing him the springs they used dirt cheap springs. The 60k cycle springs I got for 150$ for the pair seem to match the good ones he has on his door or at least are very good copies. 
 

if you are reasonable fit your fine. I am a pretty strong guy and even I was sweating like crazy at the end of the job though. 

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
8/30/24 6:21 a.m.

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