dculberson said:
crankwalk said:
Then they're idiots and ANY reason would sway them. I'm not necessarily saying they are idiots if they smoke, but ANYBODY that is marketed to and buys everything mindlessly because they saw it somewhere and can't think critically is doomed and not my problem.
It's very easy to "other" people. You feel secure in your position that advertising does not influence you, but research shows otherwise. Maybe you don't believe in research, but research says you should. ;-)
I grew up watching Paul Newman hustle a Planters Z car around Road Atlanta and to the day I honest to God hate salted nuts and have never bought them.
In all seriousness though, I suppose I was lucky to have good parents to show me how the world worked in an honest way and I grew up thinking critically about why somebody is trying to sell something to me. This is why I'm debt free beside a house, I didn't buy any of the things good/bad/addictive that THEY wanted me to buy they I couldn't afford.
Knurled. said:
When I was a kid, we'd hear stories of people getting beat up or even killed for their shoes, because they were freakin' Reeboks.
Why were they so awesome? Because the commercials said they were, and they were expensive.
And yeah those kids were morons. Little sponges that were just begging to be told what to buy, smoke, drink, steal, wear.... I think it's irrational and sad but I wouldn't ban the whatever it was that made them think Reeboks were cool enough to rob and steal for.
crankwalk said:
dculberson said:
crankwalk said:
Then they're idiots and ANY reason would sway them. I'm not necessarily saying they are idiots if they smoke, but ANYBODY that is marketed to and buys everything mindlessly because they saw it somewhere and can't think critically is doomed and not my problem.
It's very easy to "other" people. You feel secure in your position that advertising does not influence you, but research shows otherwise. Maybe you don't believe in research, but research says you should. ;-)
I grew up watching Paul Newman hustle a Planters Z car around Road Atlanta and to the day I honest to God hate salted nuts and have never bought them.
In all seriousness though, I suppose I was lucky to have good parents to show me how the world worked in an honest way and I grew up thinking critically about why somebody is trying to sell something to me. This is why I'm debt free beside a house, I didn't buy any of the things good/bad/addictive that THEY wanted me to buy they I couldn't afford.
Knurled. said:
When I was a kid, we'd hear stories of people getting beat up or even killed for their shoes, because they were freakin' Reeboks.
Why were they so awesome? Because the commercials said they were, and they were expensive.
And yeah those kids were morons. Little sponges that were just begging to be told what to buy, smoke, drink, steal, wear.... I think it's irrational and sad but I wouldn't ban the whatever it was that made them think Reeboks were cool enough to rob and steal for.
All kids are easily impressionable. I wouldn't say "morons", just... well... not adult.
Ransom said:
dculberson said:
In reply to Will :
I’m just not sure I agree with that first statement, is all.
Also, seems like a lot of folks are expanding their personal understanding of their own experience to represent the general case.
As they say, the plural of "anecdote" is not "data". And that's without wading into the accuracy of self-audit.
Judging the rest of society based on how they see themselves helps people feel superior to those weak minded individuals that aren’t immune to advertising.
It takes a certain level of development for an individual to question the assumptions that they see as truths, and question those assumptions to truly understand the world around them.
Debating it on the internet is not going to convince someone that advertising works if they are convinced they are immune to it.
In reply to Knurled. :
I for one welcome mumble rapping vapers with facial tattoos to the world of rally in the place of retiring action sports stars.
mtn
MegaDork
11/15/18 11:23 p.m.
Interesting conversation.
I think folks are too caught up in the forum of the marketing (a race car) and in the product. The fact is, that is probably reaching very few people on GRM; we are not who they’re after. They’d love to get us, but they’re after the teenager.
I grew up with a marketing genius in the house. I’ve taken marketing classes. I research everything I buy down to my toothepaste. I’d like to think I’m immune to marketing. Guess what? When I need a widget, and I don’t know about widgets, first thing I do is look at the reviews for MegaMarketingWidget, because they’re the only one I know of. I’ll look for others, but guess what? the ads ar working on some level.
Knurled. said:
crankwalk said:
dculberson said:
crankwalk said:
Then they're idiots and ANY reason would sway them. I'm not necessarily saying they are idiots if they smoke, but ANYBODY that is marketed to and buys everything mindlessly because they saw it somewhere and can't think critically is doomed and not my problem.
It's very easy to "other" people. You feel secure in your position that advertising does not influence you, but research shows otherwise. Maybe you don't believe in research, but research says you should. ;-)
I grew up watching Paul Newman hustle a Planters Z car around Road Atlanta and to the day I honest to God hate salted nuts and have never bought them.
In all seriousness though, I suppose I was lucky to have good parents to show me how the world worked in an honest way and I grew up thinking critically about why somebody is trying to sell something to me. This is why I'm debt free beside a house, I didn't buy any of the things good/bad/addictive that THEY wanted me to buy they I couldn't afford.
Knurled. said:
When I was a kid, we'd hear stories of people getting beat up or even killed for their shoes, because they were freakin' Reeboks.
Why were they so awesome? Because the commercials said they were, and they were expensive.
And yeah those kids were morons. Little sponges that were just begging to be told what to buy, smoke, drink, steal, wear.... I think it's irrational and sad but I wouldn't ban the whatever it was that made them think Reeboks were cool enough to rob and steal for.
All kids are easily impressionable. I wouldn't say "morons", just... well... not adult.
Kids old enough to know that Reebok’s are cool because of marketing but also come to the realization they NEED to rob somebody else to h ave them are acting like morons. I think that goes back to they weren’t parented right (or at all) more than they are just easily impressionable.
I just saw colors and shapes and literally didn’t think about what the sponsor was. Lowenbrau Porsche? Cool colors. Martini Porsche? Silver white and blue with box letters. That’s what I thought as a kid and really still as an adult. It was just an easy way to identify what car it was. Rusty Wallace never subliminally convinced me to drink a beer, it was just his livery. Did I eat a hamburger at McDonald’s after Bill Elliot led a race a got more camera time? Buy Tide? Interstate Batteries? I really didn’t. Some people either accept that or they don’t and think it was impossible for me to resist those forces.
I know there are some people who are enough of a dullard that buy the newest phone and they can’t answer why. That’s a marketing success story. I just think little Billy is more likely to start drinking or smoking because his older friend did it and he thought it looked cool and it was readily accessible.
If I have to watch Viagra and Cialis commercials then I don't know why anyone has a problem with tobacco product advertising. I'm genuinely surprised that some random pot shop in Denver hasn't sponsored something yet.
If the product is so horrible that we can't accept advertising why is it still legal, and if it's legal why can't they advertise? That's the issue for me.
JOE CAMEL ROCKS, at 67 I have Never smoked a Cig.
I DO NOT DRINK AND DRIVE, Happily my beverage of Choice promotes this. HEINEKEN BEER.
I can not drink liquor anymore, AT first I think I am Don Juan, and the women want me, then I THINK I am King Kong, whats funny is I Am short and ugly the rest of the Time.
emulating our parents, peer pressure, may be what steers lots of us but those 'older' users were themselves affected by something, very likely advertising.
In reply to dculberson :
My kid recites "Don't forget to subscribe!" after watching the LeMons world videos on youtube. She also likes to repeat things like "This program on PBS Kids is brought to you by our sponsors, including viewers like you!"
Duke said:
bigdaddylee82 said:
I kept up with his antics for years after that, and even found myself going to Home Depot instead of Lowe's because Smoke drove a HD car, and that "awful" Johnson fella drove a Lowe's car.
But it didn't make you go to Home Depot when where you needed to go was the grocery store.
I don't need advertising to make me do that.
Some of these stealth logos are reminiscent of the old joke that ends with "I don't have to outrun the bear - I just have to outrun you!" The totally-not-a-Marlboro-logo on the Ferrari doesn't have to build more brand awareness than the definitely-a-Shell-logo; it just has to build more brand awareness than the totally-not-a-Bensen-and-Hedges-logo on its rival, who is operating under the same restrictions. And if your customers are typically confronting a wall of cigarrette packs that are behind a counter, brand awareness can give you an extra edge.
To be honest, I never knew John Player Specials was a cigarette brand. I just liked the color scheme.
In reply to spitfirebill :
I actually smoked those for a good while. They were one of the first to come out with the flip top box instead of the soft pack. The brand I smoked the longest was Winstons. It had nothing to do with their advertising, they are just the smoothest major brand you can buy. For the last 5-6 years, I rolled my own buying bulk tobacco. I think I still have a couple of bags of tobacco, the rolling machine and some tubes floating around here somewhere.
I still have commercial jungles from childhood stuck in my head.
Knurled. said:
z31maniac said:
And Ozzy's song "Suicide Solution" made people kill themselves, and Grand Theft Auto turned me into a felon, and how many Slippery Slope Fallacies do you think we can add to this thread.
Fun fact: "Suicide Solution" is not about killing oneself, it is about alcohol. Another product that is banned from motorsport advertisement.
Fun fact: it's about killing yourself with alcohol. It's literally the second line in the song.
"Suicide is slow with liqour"
He was writing about his own addiction problems.
Drinking Budweiser made me a Jr fan. Not the other way around. So there's that.
I think maybe the higher moral standard applied to cigarette companies was a direct result of their own low moral standard.
As for booze ads. Jeez the world would be a very twatty place if everyone looked and acted like the euphorically happy models in every campaign. 
A-Style clothing definitely opened up ideas regarding sexual exploration to me.
Appleseed said:
I still have commercial jungles from childhood stuck in my head.
My 7 year old daughter will regularly scream out "SAVE BIG MONEY AT MENARDS!" on a pretty regular basis just from hearing radio commercials. We go to Menards maybe 2x a year, whereas we are at Lowes 1-2x a week for my wife's craft business, my daughter has no bias toward either store. Apparently her tin foil hat is loose enough to let in the jingles but just tight enough to keep the corporate brainwashing out.
