914Driver said:
The irony of this is that Mike Rowe has an entire episode called Safety Third. The point being that some jobs are inherently unsafe, but have to get done. So we keep safety in mind, but it can't be the top item. And Safety First is such an overused and ignored concept, but Safety Third sounds odd and makes one think.
Tipperary Hill in Syracuse, NY, a very Irish neighborhood has an upside down traffic light. Green (Irish) on the bottom wasn't acceptable having the red (British) over it on top. Kids hit it with rocks etc., finally the town flipped the lenses.
In reply to 914Driver :
It takes a certain brand of idiot to get that upset over something that small.
In reply to Duke :
My take is, colorblindness must be fairly low in those of Irish descent.
I worked with someone who was full on colorblind, he said he just watches what other traffic does and worst case, he watches the light's location if he can see it.
Started new job yesterday on the opposite side of Cleveland.
Today I learned that about 75% of the people downtown took St. Patrick's Day off of work.
In reply to Duke :
It was done in the 1920s, so British-Irish tensions were a little bit more of a raw subject in those times. The city has just continued to do it out of a sense of tradition.
TIL that 949Racing's name and their habit of painting/powdercoating/anodizing everything orange is because they're based in Orange County, area code 949.
Duke said:In reply to 914Driver :
It takes a certain brand of idiot to get that upset over something that small.
And that's the world we live in.
I theorize that these things go in cycles, and that type of outrage behaviour is due for a change any time now
Peabody said:Duke said:In reply to 914Driver :
It takes a certain brand of idiot to get that upset over something that small.
And that's the world we live in.
I theorize that these things go in cycles, and that type of outrage behaviour is due for a change any time now
Well, we may find it cyclical in the US, but it's a long-standing tradition for most of the world to harbor grudges for literal millennia. I suppose it may have something to do with honor-shame cultures vs the majority guilt-based culture most of us operate in. In [some?] H/S I understand that there's not even a concept of forgiveness. Whereas here we are like "you did this thing and I did this thing and now we are even" or just move on because we are not worried that our honor (a concept we barely get) is still intact after an offense against us.
For instance, some of the well-known parables of Jesus (a guy steeped in dirt-farmer H-S) are misunderstood in our culture because guilt-based is how we see the world, but the lessons are revolutionary in other cultures, such as his own. So like there's one parable where a dad asks his two sons to do a task. The older one says yes but then never does it. The younger one says no but then does the task. In HS, the *younger* child is bad because he dishonored his father by his initial refusal. The switcharoo of the new morality Jesus was introducing was that it's your *behavior* that is judged, not if you kept up honor and appearances.
So, for example, someone in an HS culture will not feel bad about stealing, but will feel bad if they are caught and bring shame to the family. There is no forgiveness here, either. You must deny what you did and try to out-shame the one who caught you. Or go to extreme measures.
This extends even to the Christian story of the crucifixion. In a Guilt culture, such as our own, a lot of people want to evangelize on this notion that we have sin-guilt that God had to punish and God beat upon Jesus instead of us. So we should be happy that we don't get punishment we deserve! Yay! But that resonates not at all with HS cultures. That is not in their schema, nor was it in the Jewish culture of the time. The real clincher for HS is the notion of reconciliation with the one you offended.
Consider then the more famous parable of the Prodigal Son - he dishonors his dad by demanding his share of the inheritance in advance. Then he comes back and his dad accepts him back into the family. And the older son is pissed about it for reasons. The revolutionary part of the story is that his father allowed his *honor* to be trampled on *for the sake of relationship with his son*. Now, in the eyes of the neighbors, dad is low because his child is a dirtbag, and now he's even LOWER because he let his son back into the family. The lesson being that relationship is more important and that there's forgiveness.
I happen to find alternate ways of viewing the world just mind-blowing, pardon the interruption :)
In reply to P3PPY :
Life is waaaaaay too berking short.
In reply to P3PPY :
There are various "cultural maps" of USA, which are absolutely scientifically accurate and not controversial at all. In general the maps are similar to historical territorial expansion and waves of immigration/migration, or broadly "who settled where".
Anyway, one suggestion/ theory/ wtfe is that some of the USA "sub-cultures" have more of a focus on 'honor'.
Handwaving Freakoutery has comparisons between one of these cultural maps and rates of suicide vs. homicide by county, and the maps look really similar.
My actual TIL (technically last night for me, but it was 'today' in official GRM Eastern time):
Hurrah
they saw
your Sabo-Tabby Kitten!
...
Hurry now!
Wonder how?
Meow!
Sabotage!
If I cared enough, I would see if AI could do "Sabo-Tabby Kitten" in the style of Beastie Boys "Sabotage"
TIL about ghost kitchens.
Floculant.
Illinois Nazis were a real, serious thing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie
TIL Cops in California busted a chop shop specializing in Chargers, Challengers and Jeeps. About $3 million in stock.
In reply to 914Driver :
Also learned about this, but honestly not really surprised.
Frederick and Charles Fisher started the Fisher Body Co., a prominent coach builder in 1908. Well, their grand kids needed a hobby so they made a Vineyard. Pretty good stuff actually.
Wally (Forum Supporter) said:Illinois Nazis were a real, serious thing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie
I worked with one. Not those shiny happy people, but a different shiny happy person. I was just as shocked. I thought it was a Blues Brothers bit.
TIL that a modified Gloster Meteor was not only the first turboprop aircraft to fly, but also 10 mph faster than the jet version (616 mph vs 606 mph).
In reply to Appleseed :
They are all around the Delaware valley still today. I don't know if they carry cards, but the attitude is very real. Lucky I pass for white, and can prove christian ancestors if accosted.
Marlin Perkins was involved with the st.louis zoo, that would be like a jack nicklaus golf course IMO
Did you see the episode where Marlin was wrestling an Anaconda while his barefoot buddy was commenting "Well it looks like the snake is dragging Marlin out to deep water, this could mean trouble..."
Poor Marlin was exhausted, waiting for next week's show for "Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, hosted by [whatever the young Australian's name was]. =~ 0
TIL 1971 movie, Catlow; Leonard Nimoy was a hired gun? I only saw one scene where he wrestled Yul Brinner while naked, then fell onto a clay pot which penetrated his neck.
In reply to 914Driver :
Yeah,I saw that one. They both had their hands full with that one!
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