Walther CCP

Spent some quality time at the Harrisburg Outdoor Show fondling various models. God that's a great show for trying on everything! That CCP sure falls to hand nicely.

Tempting!

Now the question is, is it actually a Smith & Wesson design or a real Walther design?

Far as I know, it's a real Walther design. But I am no expert on the matter.

Oooh, oooh. PPK not good enough for us, eh?

Love the PPK, if for no other reason than James Bond.

I've small hands. I wear a small men's glove. This gun just falls to my hand superbly, better than the PPK. It really felt comfortable. Like the proverbial extension. There was zero fumbling or even learning.

That said, I've not shot it. I'll try to find a range that has one around here and try it. But I think I found my own personal bench mark home pistol. Conceal carry, well, I'm in Maryland, so that's a pipe dream.

Dr. Hess wrote: Oooh, oooh. PPK not good enough for us, eh?

Good enough for Bond, not good enough for Foxtrapper

Having handled both I prefer the PPS. I carry a Kahr tho so what do I know :)

foxtrapper wrote: Far as I know, it's a real Walther design. But I am no expert on the matter.

Looked into it, it is pretty much a scaled down p99, so yes Walther. I'll recommend cross shopping the Glock 42/43 and Sig Sauer offerings as well if you want to be sure.

calteg wrote:

Dr. Hess wrote: Oooh, oooh. PPK not good enough for us, eh?

Good enough for Bond, not good enough for Foxtrapper

A man's got to have some standards!

'Sides, he'll use a CCP in his next movies.

Well, "it feels right" is the major criteria in gun selection, in my opinion. It also has to not be a POS, but POS' in general don't "feel right."

They are about $420 on Grabagun.com, currently out of stock. Looks like they have a hard time keeping them in stock. I take that as "popular" and generally sought after by the shooting community.

Wait... Is the CCP single action?

As much as I love shooting my Ruger R1911, a 9mm SA would be so much less inexpensive to shoot.

Hmmmm....

stanger_missle wrote: Wait... Is the CCP single action? As much as I love shooting my Ruger R1911, a 9mm SA would be so much less inexpensive to shoot. Hmmmm....

Its striker fired, not single action in the traditional sense like a 1911.

They do make 9mm 1911s ;)

And the Sigs are double action/single action. I think they have a striker fired Sig as well.

Heathens. This is saddending.

Dr. Hess wrote:

Oooh, oooh. PPK not good enough for us, eh?

You would have thought James Bond would have carried something bigger than a .380. But, Hitler offed himself with a .32 so I guess that's OK.

What does striker fired mean?

James Bond in the books carried a 25 ACP, at least in the early books. I can't remember if it was a Beretta or Walther. He was a real good shot, so he would just kneecap people attacking.

Striker Fired means that when you pull the trigger, you pull the striker (internal hammer, really) back until it is loaded up with energy and then released. There are also partial striker fired that kind of half cock by themselves and half striker fire by you, where you pull the trigger and it pulls the striker (hammer) the rest of the way back.

Ah, so that's why the trigger feels that way. It's long, crunchy and gives no tension build-up. Trigger was the one tbing I did not like. Same all the reviewers.

In reply to Dr. Hess:

Bonds first gun was a Beretta.

So a striker fire gun is basically a double action?

spitfirebill wrote: Bonds first gun was a Beretta.

Which Q called a "ladies gun" when Bond was issued a S&W .38 Special revolver in Dr. No.

spitfirebill wrote: In reply to Dr. Hess: Bonds first gun was a Beretta. So a striker fire gun is basically a double action?

It's more and less complex than that. Feel wise, a Glock is closer to a double action as the striker mechanism isn't fully tensioned until halfway through the trigger pull. Others are somewhat between a SAO & DAO. Striker fire is not technically single or double action.....it's a much simplified firing mechanism that is much much safer.

DA/SA Combos are probably still the best when it comes to a carry pistol with a hammer as you can carry in the safe half cock and not have to carry with the hammer fully back(which is why I would personally never carry a 1911 or fs92) Striker fired when in a properly designed gun(I.E. NOT the XD) is much safer than either traditional DA/SA, DAO, & SAO as it should never fire without the trigger being pulled.

ALL striker fired designs have terrible triggers. It cannot be fully custom-triggered/gunsmithed away. I have tried a bunch of them from multiple manufacturers, going all the way back to the original Glock. I hate them all. I like my triggers' setups to feel like breaking glass, with just enough overtravel to get the job done and no more than 1/8 inch of takeup, regardless of the actual poundage. With the lack of trigger feedback and precision from striker designs, I just don't get the appeal. Now that I think about it, I also just described how I like my steering response and brake pedal to feel, too

Yea, the trigger is universally panned, with laments for the PPS or PPQ trigger instead (forget which).

There are various things about improving the trigger. Basically polishing it to reduce the gritty crunch feel. But there's really nothing that can be done to reduce the pull or sharpen it up at the end.

That said, right along with the laments are the comments that it doesn't seem to matter at all in actually shooting the gun. It seems like a big deal at the counter or work bench, but not on the range.

For the type of gun that a CCP (and most of whats discussed here) is, trigger isn't a huge make it or break it deal. These are primarily defensive tools, now if we're talking race guns or high end 1911s etc trigger break, pull come more into play. For a defensive gun, get one that is comfortable to carry and shoot it a whole bunch :)

Yeah, a bit longer/harder trigger for a carry gun is not that bad of a thing. High stress and all.

Carrying something like a 1911 on half cock is dangerous. The gun was designed to be carried fully cocked with the safety on. That is safe. The half cock is just an additional safety in case the main sear lets loose unexpectedly. If you think "locked and cocked" is "scary," you probably need more firearms experience.

The Sigs like the 239, I think, are an interesting looking gun. DA/SA with a decocker lever. That one should be carried in the hammer down position with a round chambered. You can't do that with a 1911 without risking an A.D.

Storz wrote: For the type of gun that a CCP (and most of whats discussed here) is, trigger isn't a huge make it or break it deal. These are primarily defensive tools, now if we're talking race guns or high end 1911s etc trigger break, pull come more into play. For a defensive gun, get one that is comfortable to carry and shoot it a whole bunch :)

Yep, that's the whole point of the striker systems.....they're personal defense tools that are safer for the user of them than other designs. You want a crisp hair trigger, ditch all automatics and go the SAO wheel gun route. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, will be that light or crisp packaged in an auto.

As far as race guns, I still prefer EAA to the 1911 pattern stuff. Both are SAO, but the EAA just has that feel to it.

In reply to Dr. Hess:

I have never carried a Sig with a chambered round and hammer down.....always on the half cock setting the decocker drops it to. Initial DA trigger pull isn't that bad either on them. All that stuff isn't the reason I dislike the 1911 however, that's from Colt's fiddling with Browning's design and adding a failure point that could prove fatal.