Walther CCP

WOW Really Paul? wrote:

Storz wrote: For the type of gun that a CCP (and most of whats discussed here) is, trigger isn't a huge make it or break it deal. These are primarily defensive tools, now if we're talking race guns or high end 1911s etc trigger break, pull come more into play. For a defensive gun, get one that is comfortable to carry and shoot it a whole bunch :)

Yep, that's the whole point of the striker systems.....they're personal defense tools that are safer for the user of them than other designs. You want a crisp hair trigger, ditch all automatics and go the SAO wheel gun route. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, will be that light or crisp packaged in an auto. As far as race guns, I still prefer EAA to the 1911 pattern stuff. Both are SAO, but the EAA just has that feel to it. In reply to Dr. Hess: I have never carried a Sig with a chambered round and hammer down.....always on the half cock setting the decocker drops it to. Initial DA trigger pull isn't that bad either on them. All that stuff isn't the reason I dislike the 1911 however, that's from Colt's fiddling with Browning's design and adding a failure point that could prove fatal.

Couldn't agree more on the EAA/CZ pattern guns, I had a pretty tricked out SP01 for a while. While it retained its DA capability, a few bits and pieces from Cajun Gunworks made it a really sweet shooter. I've had two P07s and older small frame all steel witness and the SP01. Amazing firearms!

Love me some 1911's. Personal preference. My EDC though is a Taurus. compact, carries 11rds of .45acp and weighs half of what the full size 1911 I have does. Not an elegant gun, but it goes bang everytime.

I see the CCP and think Hipoint.

If I was to ever stray from the .45, I'd likely be a Sig fanboi. I really really like the Sigs.

In reply to WOW Really Paul?:

With the Sig, by hammer down, I mean the down resting point of the hammer, which is kinda like a half cock notch, but not really on that gun. The hammer doesn't rest all the way down, like on a 1911.

In reply to Storz:

I had a .38 super Witness Match for awhile, it's hands down the most accurate automatic pistol I've ever owned. You would have to significantly lighten the slide of 1911 to get a similar feel. Thinking back, I probably need another one.....out of the box, they're performance bargains. Its not every day you come across a sub-$1k pistol that matches up favorably with worked over Wilson & Baer offerings for multiples more.

In reply to Bobzilla:

Seriously consider the Sig 1911 at some point, they're one of the few that are true to the vision of Browning.

In reply to Dr. Hess:

Ahh, I think we're on the same page there, just worded it differently. That position for the hammer on the Sig is pretty much the safety. No lever to fumble with is a good thing in my book.

My friend was President's Hundred. Twice. With a 1911.

I already have my 1911 (springfield loaded). If I buy a new one it'll be a compact lightweight 1911 like a New Agent or EMP to replace the Taurus. but the way I'm buying car parts that isn't happening anytime soon.

In reply to Dr. Hess:

They're capable for sure, just as the EAA's are.

Just looked into their rules, limited modifications on a service pistol is a bit different than what the EAA's are. They're closer to race guns than service oriented.

I think he won one of them with a borrowed gun because his regular one blew up on him at the match in the practice stuff. The armorer had put a extra tight barrel link or barrel or something in it and they had some extra hot Israeli SMG ammo. The two together blew his gun up, so he competed with whatever he could borrow.

Dr. Hess wrote: In reply to WOW Really Paul?: With the Sig, by hammer down, I mean the down resting point of the hammer, which is kinda like a half cock notch, but not really on that gun. The hammer doesn't rest all the way down, like on a 1911.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/KA0LXwpue20

I just picked up a S&W Shield in 9mm and it's been pretty good so far. It felt better in my hand than the CCP, much to my surprise, and has done very well with the few rounds I've sent down range with it.

Dr. Hess wrote: I think he won one of them with a borrowed gun because his regular one blew up on him at the match in the practice stuff. The armorer had put a extra tight barrel link or barrel or something in it and they had some extra hot Israeli SMG ammo. The two together blew his gun up, so he competed with whatever he could borrow.

. What was he running that blew up?

On another note, I think another Witness Match is in my future......damn things are still bargains.

In reply to Duke:

. +1 good sir, +1

Some kind of 1911, Paul. Don't know the details. He was lifer in the Navy, ran the shooting range at Annapolis, taught Olympic shooters, etc.

This thread needs more pics. My RTF2 17 and Kahr TP9

agreed.... moar pikturs:

This is impressive!

Dr. Hess wrote: My friend was President's Hundred. Twice. With a 1911.

Well, thanks to this thread I just learned Sig Sauer is FINALLY offering their 1911's in .38 super.
Normal Sig pricing, but .38 super + 1911 + an extractor that would make Browning pleased = a serious contender for my money.

Dr. Hess wrote: Yeah, a bit longer/harder trigger for a carry gun is not that bad of a thing. High stress and all.

Yea, this is kinda almost a plus for the CCP, and a negative for the PPS and PPQ. at least to my mind. The PPS and PPQ use a trigger safety, while the CCP uses a thumb type safety.

Personally, I don't like a trigger safeties. Seems like a recipe for accidental discharge. Both from an "oops" in a stressful situation, and from a sheer stupidity or mishandling perspective.

The PPK, with its exposed hammer would be the most instinctive for me. I'm used to the exposed hammer of my hunting shotgun. An old Winchester 97. It's what I'm used to and comfortable with. But, a PPK is mighty expensive.

Though I also admit to having never lived with a gun having a trigger safety.

WOW Really Paul? wrote: Well, thanks to this thread I just learned Sig Sauer is FINALLY offering their 1911's in .38 super. Normal Sig pricing, but .38 super + 1911 + an extractor that would make Browning pleased = a serious contender for my money.

I spent most of last night searching for something in 38 super.

There are some nice PPK clones out there in 380. FEG or FIE imported them for a while. East Europe origin, Hungarian I think. You could probably find a used one in the sub three bills range. They don't get fired a lot, so anything used is going to be almost new.

Here's one: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=542305629

and a fixer-upper (GRM, y0): http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=542539653

In reply to Dr. Hess:

I had an FEG R61(IIRC). Firing pin broke, couldn't find another one, so it's decorative now.

In reply to spitfirebill:

Gun broker is your ally, all you have to do is get your local shop to send their FFL info over to the seller if you buy something.

WildScotsRacing wrote: ALL striker fired designs have terrible triggers. It cannot be fully custom-triggered/gunsmithed away. I have tried a bunch of them from multiple manufacturers, going all the way back to the original Glock. I hate them all. I like my triggers' setups to feel like breaking glass, with just enough overtravel to get the job done and no more than 1/8 inch of takeup, regardless of the actual poundage. With the lack of trigger feedback and precision from striker designs, I just don't get the appeal. Now that I think about it, I also just described how I like my steering response and brake pedal to feel, too

Imho, my hk vp9 has a pretty nice trigger.

In reply to sesto elemento:

I don't mind the trigger safeties either, just something to get used to.....and so long as you aren't a berkeleytard you should never AD one.

I like my keltecs triggers. Nice and long. Really long. Like you think the gun must be empty long.

I've carried my ppk on occasion, mostly when looking nice. I figure if I'm dressed up and need to draw, my gun should look nice as well.

Sometimes for nostalgia I carry my 1923 made colt 1903. I hear they aren't drop safe and I don't carry with one in the chamber. But I love carrying a 90+ year old gun.

My Glock doesn't get carried much cause it's a dang boat anchor. I have an outside the waistband holster but since I'm not an open carry weirdo I don't do that much.

Sometimes I carry my smith and Wesson model 37 Snubbie if I'm ice fishing or something and a normal holster won't work, since I'm wearing my overalls.

99% of the time I have my p32 in a pocket holster though.

Joey