So my fiancée's father is buying a house. He was in Florida and we did all of the walk-throughs with the realtor, set up the inspections and any other due diligence necessary before making the purchase offer. The offer was accepted as nothing glaring came up on any of the inspections, tests or disclosure statement. We set up a closing date and he returned from FL to be present at closing.

 

Fast forward to closing day and we go to the house for our final "walk through" before heading to the realtors office to do all of the paperwork. While looking at everything, I tried the kitchen faucet and to my surprise there was no water. I go to the closest bathroom and again, no water. Not a big deal, I just figured they shut off either the well pump or main valve while nobody was occupying the house. Off to the basement I go to check circuit healers and valves. The breaker was still on and all of the valves were open. NOT GOOD! I look at the pump saver/alarm box and it's flashing "dry run/dead head". REALLY NOT GOOD!!! Luckily I was accompanied by the listing realtor who is a personal friend. He sees exactly what's going on and calls the office to let them know we have a problem. He explains the issue and has someone call the seller. They explain the issue to the seller and she sends over her son-in-law who knows a bit about the mechanics of the house. He looks at the same items in the basement as I did and comes to the same conclusion as I did, nothing abnormal here but the pump saver. Then he has an epiphany and tells us to follow him upstairs. He says that the valve in the master bathroom toilet sticks and did so a few days ago. He walks right to it and sure enough the handle is stuck, the chain pulled up and the valve open/running. He manually puts it down, the tank fills and the valve closes/stops. Problem solved but questions come to mind. I ask how often does this happen? He mentioned that the valve has stuck open twice in the last few weeks and the well has run dry both times. He also divulges that over the last few years while having family visit, when multiple people are taking showers, the water also runs out. Then he tells us that while her husband was alive(4-5 years ago), he had water issues while gardening and watering the lawn as it would also run out. So, he leaves and I immediately ask the realtor if he has a copy of the disclosure statement in his email. He does and we go to the section on well questions. One question specifically asks if the "well has ever run dry" and her answer was NO. I call a local well driller that I've done business with and he advises to delay the closing ad see how long it takes for the well to recover. He also knows the area because he has drilled several wells in the development and it is an area with low yield and slow recovery. We agree to delay the closing to figure out what to do since there was a problem found and a material misrepresentation on the disclosure statement.

 

We end up going to close a week later with a concession on the sellers end for the possible future need to drill a new well. We do another walk-through and all is well, enough water to fill up a large jetted tub so we figure all is good. Or so we thought. A week her father is showing friends and family the house and unknowing to him, someone goes and uses the master bathroom. Yep, I get a call yesterday that there's no water again. I go to the house and sure enough the toilet handle is down, the chain is up and valve/water running. I shut off the supply line, remove the handle and shut the door explaining that nobody can now use the bathroom.

 

Sorry for the long read, but I want to give everyone the whole back story and what has lead up to this point.

 

Now, I don't think that the well will be an issue moving forward since there are just 2 older people living in the house, but I worry about damage to the wheel and aquifer that they are tapped into. Without the support of water, they can collapse. We've had that issue here in the development at several nearby properties. 2 other homes close by have had to drill new wells after their original ones went dry. We have never had issues with our well, but being "a smarter than the average bear", I know the limitations and keep diligent on our water useage. I don't want issue and certainly don't want to ever have to drill another well here.

 

My question for the hive is will the well recover and continue to run without issue if there are no leaks or mishaps? Do wells suffer damage when run dry numerous times? The well is drilled to 600' but I'm still trying to find out at what level the pump is hung. I also have a call in to a driller who had equipment that can test the water level in the hole. Even though he has the $$$ from the seller to drill a new well, there is adequate access to the yard to get the drill rig in there, doing it would be a pain. We are hoping for the best but planning for the worst. Anyone here with deep well experience???

 

Thanks for reading all of that.

WonkoTheSane
WonkoTheSane GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
8/9/22 8:59 a.m.

I had a similar situation, but I'm up here in the iron-mountains of CT... So-called because anywhere there's not rocks in our soil, there's iron and manganese!  That said, I'm far from an expert, but I believe the issue of wells collapsing and such would have more to do with the local ground construction, and might not have a universal answer. 

The more I learn about water supply & wells, the more it seems like even a few miles can make a difference.  I've talked to the people we now have service my water sediment filter & softener, and they all make references like "Oh, be happy you don't live on the hill over by so-and-so road, they have horrible levels of manganese that are a royal pain to get out!"

That said, our well is ~450' with the pump @ 375' (I think it was).  We had very slow recovery when we moved in, like .6 GPM (gallons per minute).  My neighbor about 100 yards away is somehow tapped into an underground stream and has an unmeasurable but estimated 50 GPM recovery.  The minimum to be a viable well (legally) I believe was 2 GPM.  It started running dry the next summer.   We had to get the well fracked, it cost around $3000 back in 2014 dollars, but we haven't ran out since.  Our recovery was 2.4 gallons.  They said we will probably need to get it fracked every 15-20 years, and after the third or fourth time, we'll probably need a new well. 

Hope this helps!

 

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
8/9/22 11:31 a.m.

I would have the well tested.  They can ascertain flow rate and recovery period and let you know if it's adequate.  I would address this now, while you have recourse from the seller.  It won't be cheap if it fails in the future and a new well is on your nickel.

We have a deep well, some 300-odd feet as I recall.  It's never run dry.  Kids had a bunch of friends over on a homemade slip-n-slide for hours over the weekend and one hose bib open for the duration, and others with water balloons, usual toilet flushes and washes.  IMO, it shouldn't run dry when one toilet valve sticks.

Karacticus
Karacticus GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/9/22 11:47 a.m.

I'll state the obvious, but fix the sticking  toilet valve ASAP. 

Flynlow (FS)
Flynlow (FS) Dork
8/9/22 4:15 p.m.

In reply to Karacticus :

+1.  If it's the normal flapper-valve replacement, it's like $10 and 10 min. 

VolvoHeretic
VolvoHeretic GRM+ Memberand Reader
8/9/22 6:14 p.m.
Karacticus said:

I'll state the obvious, but fix the sticking  toilet valve ASAP. 

Spray some WD-40 on the handle pivot and the float parts and see if that will free them up. It has worked for me.

MyMiatas
MyMiatas Reader
8/9/22 8:08 p.m.

You could have a cistern reserve (larger than50 gallons) built into the system.

I agree with having the whole well inspected. You do not know who installed the last pump down that well

Are you close enough to a city to tap a supply line?

 

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