SNL made a trailer parodying Joker, but about Oscar the Grouch, with David Harbour. It's pretty amusing.
SNL made a trailer parodying Joker, but about Oscar the Grouch, with David Harbour. It's pretty amusing.
Knurled. said:In reply to z31maniac :
Noted. Sounds interesting. Plus, I'll value your judgement given similar attitude to that type of movie.
I would definitely check it out. If you end up not liking it, well at least you gave it a shot.
In reply to NickD :
That’s a riot!
I saw it last night. It’s disturbing, and very well done.
It’s also completely disconnected from the Batman universe. This Joker is a disturbed man, but can’t ever become THE Joker from other works.
The character lacked the nuance and intelligence needed to become a super villain, yet had much deeper depth as a deeply mentally disturbed person.
The character also lacked creativity. Looked like he was copying Heath Ledger’s Joker, with a little more depth and realism, but no real connections showing how one character becomes the other.
Just as an NA is a better Miata, but an ND is a better car, Ledger’s Joker was a better Joker, Pheonix’s Joker was a better performance.
I liked Heath Ledger’s Joker better.
SVreX said:In reply to NickD :
That’s a riot!
I saw it last night. It’s disturbing, and very well done.
It’s also completely disconnected from the Batman universe. This Joker is a disturbed man, but can’t ever become THE Joker from other works.
The character lacked the nuance and intelligence needed to become a super villain, yet had much deeper depth as a deeply mentally disturbed person.
The character also lacked creativity. Looked like he was copying Heath Ledger’s Joker, with a little more depth and realism, but no real connections showing how one character becomes the other.
Just as an NA is a better Miata, but an ND is a better car, Ledger’s Joker was a better Joker, Pheonix’s Joker was a better performance.
I liked Heath Ledger’s Joker better.
You just made me look more forward to watching the new one. Although I agree, Ledger's performance, was an all-time great villian performance. Especially when you consider how memorable it was, compared to how little he was actually on screen for a 2.5 hour movie.
Saw it opening night. My "negative" is that the social commentary underneath is forced, and it feels like a script that was taken and "adapted" to fit- like the DC universe is the muscle and skin on a prior skeleton. And there's nothing wrong with that, because the movie is still very good.
The movie starts out a 3/5. Odd moments, but Mr. Phoneix really lays the visible appearance of mental illness and the rotten look of NOT-1970s New York does well. But the funny thing is, the movie just gets progressively BETTER as it goes on- 4/5 in the bathroom scene for me, followed by the movie going 5/5 rollercoaster ride once he realizes a certain hallucination. From that point the palpable intensity and "what's happening?" feeling was CRANKED. The end of the movie is fantastic and genuinely should win awards IMO, especially how the whole film genuinely feels like if Arthur had- at ANY point- just had a decent conversation or connection with someone at all it could have changed everything.
The bigger detail I hope to add- this movie is a massive shift from Super Hero movies focusing on flash to character-driven film relying on substance and realistic sets. It's made 5x the investment so far and looks to genuinely be a hit, so hopefully it shows DC that people are getting tired of these films and are ready for something else.
GIRTHQUAKE said:it feels like a script that was taken and "adapted" to fit- like the DC universe is the muscle and skin on a prior skeleton.
Like that one Pirates of the Caribbean movie that was actually a Tim Powers novel that was acquired and hammered, square-peg into round-hole style, into the PotC universe?
(Tim Powers books tend to be both very long and very dense, with about 5 or 6 separate plotlines that seem to be only peripherally related, if at all, until the last couple pages of the book, when it all comes together and you get the sensation like when you finally get one of those stereographic images to come into focus)
The bigger detail I hope to add- this movie is a massive shift from Super Hero movies focusing on flash to character-driven film relying on substance and realistic sets. It's made 5x the investment so far and looks to genuinely be a hit, so hopefully it shows DC that people are getting tired of these films and are ready for something else.
That would be fantastic but I am not optimistic. A lot of the reason why Hollywood engineered-to-be-blockbuster movies are so bland and substance-free is because they want to make sure the movies will translate well overseas, both to other languages and other cultures. Everybody likes BAYSPLOSIONS, it's harder to sell a character-driven think piece overseas.
Knurled. said:GIRTHQUAKE said:it feels like a script that was taken and "adapted" to fit- like the DC universe is the muscle and skin on a prior skeleton.
Like that one Pirates of the Caribbean movie that was actually a Tim Powers novel that was acquired and hammered, square-peg into round-hole style, into the PotC universe?
No, more like they had a well-fleshed out plotline and concept for the story and used DC comics as a method to "frame" it- like seeing astronomy through infared, visible light, Xray ect.
That would be fantastic but I am not optimistic. A lot of the reason why Hollywood engineered-to-be-blockbuster movies are so bland and substance-free is because they want to make sure the movies will translate well overseas, both to other languages and other cultures. Everybody likes BAYSPLOSIONS, it's harder to sell a character-driven think piece overseas.
Yeah, I sadly have to agree though I hold out SOME hope- I think they really tossed money at Scorcese just because of his name and didn't expect to get the movie they did. Desperate times, and all that.
In reply to GIRTHQUAKE :
That’s well put.
I would have liked the movie better if it made no effort to associate itself with DC Comics.
boring movie
My take? It was all in his head. The whole time he was the joker, was him dreaming it. Everytime we thought we knew what was going on it ended up being his fantasy. The entire movie is his fantasy if you ask me.
What I have trouble with is the depiction of mental illness as the basis for violent acts against others. Couldn't be further from the truth. There is a glorification of rebellion and resistance supported by or legitimized by his mental condition. That bothered me.
Phoenix was phenomenal regardless.
I preferred Ledger's Joker.
I have become very careful in watching new films recently. The Joker implies a Batman universe, but this film is definitely not about that. I am not at all upset by what I saw since I was ready for it. Phoenix made a gorgeous story about a man. It seems to me. You have to look at this as a great drama. I appreciate such films and sometimes revise at lunchtime to think about a particular segment, [especially if I take a lunchtime canoe paddle]. The golden globe has already been taken. Do you think there is a chance for an Oscar or is this already the maximum?
I tried to see it using [my canoe]. However, this is too slow for me. If the story was more dynamic in the beginning it would make more sense.
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