What is Ford thinking??

poo. I'll be in State College for the weekend (or on my way) by that time.

Oy! It's a leaf spring (singular), and it's transverse (across), and it's a composite monoleaf!

confuZion3 wrote: Does the C6 still use leaf springs?

Saying it that way is trying to equate it to old time buggy springs and the rear springs on old trucks and musclecars. It's not.

composite monoleaf for variable rate and low total mass, transverse mounted so that one half of the spring works one side of the car independently of the other, and it doesn't have to do axle locating like said trucks and musclecars, mounted low for lower CG than coil springs (and, as was mentioned, lower total mass). Actually higher tech than coil springs, which have been around for as long as anything.

They only put an IRS in the Mustang cause the Camaro had it. Once the Camaro died there was no reason for the stang to have it.

I've used one of those Cobra IRSs in a Shelby Cobra kit behind just a fraction under 500 horses for years and it handled the power fine.

Huh? Show me this IRS Camaro of which you speak.

me three...

The majority of us here wouldn't even really care for an IRS mustang. I'd rather have a cross between a mustang and a miata, something medium sized, proper weight, rear wheel drive, irs, and compromise with a V6 or high power four.

Wait, why did nissan stop the S-chassis?

racinginc215 wrote: Wait i think the 2010 car has it that's only 15 years after the Cobra got it.

'95? I thought it wasn't till '99, being 11 years, unless you are very pesamistic about the eventual release of the new camero.

Edit, but a 6 speed in the GT would be nice, that being one distinct advantage of the camero since '93

Nitroracer wrote: The majority of us here wouldn't even really care for an IRS mustang. I'd rather have a cross between a mustang and a miata, something medium sized, proper weight, rear wheel drive, irs, and compromise with a V6 or high power four. Wait, why did nissan stop the S-chassis?

speaking of which, i've just come home from the houston auto show where, among other things, there was a hyundai genesis coupe "prototype". it also had the specs listed: 305hp v-6 or 231hp (on premium) turbo i-4. the car is basically the same size (and looks almost identical to) as the last tiburon, only its RWD (!)

neon4891 wrote:

racinginc215 wrote: Wait i think the 2010 car has it that's only 15 years after the Cobra got it.

'95? I thought it wasn't till '99, being 11 years, unless you are very pesamistic about the eventual release of the new camero

iirc it was 99 that the cobra first came with the irs

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/press/date/19981211/press001464.html

Yup

Strizzo wrote:

Nitroracer wrote: The majority of us here wouldn't even really care for an IRS mustang. I'd rather have a cross between a mustang and a miata, something medium sized, proper weight, rear wheel drive, irs, and compromise with a V6 or high power four. Wait, why did nissan stop the S-chassis?

speaking of which, i've just come home from the houston auto show where, among other things, there was a hyundai genesis coupe "prototype". it also had the specs listed: 305hp v-6 or 231hp (on premium) turbo i-4. the car is basically the same size (and looks almost identical to) as the last tiburon, only its RWD (!)

But any HARD numbers on price? Last time I looked, they released Korean market prices, when "converted" to US$, came to $20k for the base turbo 4, $25k loaded turbo4, $29k for the V6 (only available in a loaded version).

Don't get me wrong, I think that when it is released it will be awsome, but I'm not anything more than "cautiously optomistic"

What I wonder is why Ford doesn't make a car that's everything the Mustang ISN'T. Seems like for every person who likes it for what it is, there are several who bag on it for being too big, too heavy, having a V8 and no IRS.

If they made something smaller, lighter, without a V8 (but still performance oriented), with IRS and 2 seats...well, I guess you'd have a Miata, huh? Or a Skystice.

MikeSVO wrote: What I wonder is why Ford doesn't make a car that's everything the Mustang ISN'T. Seems like for every person who likes it for what it is, there are several who bag on it for being too big, too heavy, having a V8 and no IRS. If they made something smaller, lighter, without a V8 (but still performance oriented), with IRS and 2 seats...well, I guess you'd have a Miata, huh? Or a Skystice.

It IS called a Miata.

But some of us would love to have a Mercury version of that car...

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neon4891 wrote:

Strizzo wrote:

Nitroracer wrote: The majority of us here wouldn't even really care for an IRS mustang. I'd rather have a cross between a mustang and a miata, something medium sized, proper weight, rear wheel drive, irs, and compromise with a V6 or high power four. Wait, why did nissan stop the S-chassis?

speaking of which, i've just come home from the houston auto show where, among other things, there was a hyundai genesis coupe "prototype". it also had the specs listed: 305hp v-6 or 231hp (on premium) turbo i-4. the car is basically the same size (and looks almost identical to) as the last tiburon, only its RWD (!)

But any HARD numbers on price? Last time I looked, they released Korean market prices, when "converted" to US$, came to $20k for the base turbo 4, $25k loaded turbo4, $29k for the V6 (only available in a loaded version). Don't get me wrong, I think that when it is released it will be awsome, but I'm not anything more than "cautiously optomistic"

no numbers on the display, just a disclaimer that it was a prototype that represented what the car "could" look like. it really did look just like a tiburon. like if you saw the two parked next to each other, i think you'd have to check the badges.

also of note there was the solstice coupe, which the lady talking about it said would be out in a few months, with a lotus elise style lift-off roof for open air motoring. she said the pricing would be 27 for the base, and 32 for the gxp which she called "loaded"

Just because I'm curious, how many people that believe live axles are bad also in the front wheel drive is acceptable in a race car. We were talking at work about some of the stereotypes with car people and this is a popular one I never understood.

The letters 'IRS' make me angry.

Why not just let Mustangs be Mustangs.

If you don't like em, buy something else.

poopshovel wrote: The letters 'IRS' make me angry.

And you won't like him when he's angry...

"Loaded" for the Genesis is leather almost everything, power/heated seats, auto climate control, extra fancy heavy stuff.

+1 on the idea of a merc rebadge miata

Ford's biggest problem with the Mustang IRS was that they made it, as was noted earlier, to fit in the same spot as the live axle for reasons of economy. That means compromises in placement of different stuff. It's also really difficult to get a lot of anti squat with an IRS which yep means it's not ideal for drag racing. It's quite possible to make it as 'tough' as a stick axle too, but this means getting away from the cost saving compromises mentioned earlier.

IRS is at its best on rough pavement and honestly how much of that do we run across in racing? (says the guy who loves IRS and put a LOT of effort into building a couple of them).

alfadriver wrote: But some of us would love to have a Mercury version of that car... E-

Interesting..............