z31maniac said:In reply to mtn and 914Drive :
I bet cactus would work, but I can see our youngest one (he's a complete idiot, like stare into a corner or empty room and start barking at it) getting one in his eye or something like that.
You sure there aren't ninjas in the corner of the room?
But yeah, it is definitely dog dependent, and if the attraction on the other side is enough, I'm not sure there will be a definite answer. Does Caesar Milan have anything to say on the subject?
mtn said:z31maniac said:In reply to mtn and 914Drive :
I bet cactus would work, but I can see our youngest one (he's a complete idiot, like stare into a corner or empty room and start barking at it) getting one in his eye or something like that.
You sure there aren't ninjas in the corner of the room?
But yeah, it is definitely dog dependent, and if the attraction on the other side is enough, I'm not sure there will be a definite answer. Does Caesar Milan have anything to say on the subject?
That's a good point. A few months ago, I think there was a rabbit/opossum or some other kind of creature on the other side of the fence. The dogs started going crazy. We were watching our pit/lab mix jump high enough to see over the fence.
I'm glad she doesn't realize she could get over that fence if she really wanted to.
See how much a gallon or two of tabasco costs. It sounds inhumane, but it's actually vet approved.
It will make their paws burn while they're digging and they will only burn for an hour or so. Instant reinforcement of what they're doing = consequence + just enough reminder time.
Many dogs won't even approach the fence with tabasco. The smell is so strong it makes them sneeze.
Other dogs will not be fazed and they'll dig until their paws are bloody stumps anyway.
Dr. Hess said:Electric fence. Make it work. Chargers are cheap at Tractor Supply. You just need the smallest one they sell.
This. I fenced off about a quarter acre for my wife's two dogs when we moved here after we got married. Chain link fence. They got out. Found them down on the next road, splashing around in a creek. Lucky they weren't hit on the main road.
Small electric fencer and a few hundred feet of wire fixed the problem. They never got out after that.
Anything else, you're just pissing in the wind. They're dogs. They have time. They want out. They'll find a way.
The easy button is here to not leave your dogs unsupervised in the yard. They can't dig if you're making them stop.
Brett_Murphy said:The easy button is here to not leave your dogs unsupervised in the yard. They can't dig if you're making them stop.
This of course is a very good point. Depends on the people and the dogs. My wife's dogs lived outside. Period. Her choice. My job was to safely accomodate them when we moved.
Our current dog is 100% a house doggo. She's outside when we are, and to go #1 and #2. She heeds voice commands, the yard is not fenced, and she has never run off.
But if you're using the fenced area as a full-time "home, " I doubt you'll contain them without the electric fence.
Brett_Murphy said:The easy button is here to not leave your dogs unsupervised in the yard. They can't dig if you're making them stop.
If by "unsupervised" you mean sitting in the living room while I let them run around and use the bathroom and such, then yes they are unsupervised. If by unsupervised you mean they "live" outside, no. They are house dogs.
Last year when they dug under the gate and got out, they had it done and outside the yard in ~5 minutes? I got out of the shower, let them out, got dressed, grabbed my stuff for work to leave (girlfriend was going to let them back in in a few minutes.
z31maniac said:Justjim75 said:We used the same wire fencing mentioned earlier except we dug the sod out along the fence, layed all the fencing (we cut the 4' fence into 2, 2' strips) flat on the ground up to the privacy fence and covered it back with the sod. Never know its there until they try to dig, then you just see where the sod is dug up a bit with the wire stopping any real progress.
I did maintenance for a 157 dog kennel for 13 years
As I mentioned in the original post, burying anything is a no go. Due to utilities and two separate 5x8 concrete slabs that are poured right up against the fence in different areas. I do plan on buying a sledge hammer as my winter workout. lol
Our house sits on the corner, so the little easement between my house and the one to the south has sewer access, the electrical box for the buried lines, cable box for buried lines, etc.
So you have concrete in one area that you want removed, and you don't want dogs digging in other areas.
Sounds to me like what you really need is a way to get your dogs to dig up the concrete.
Keith Tanner said:z31maniac said:Justjim75 said:We used the same wire fencing mentioned earlier except we dug the sod out along the fence, layed all the fencing (we cut the 4' fence into 2, 2' strips) flat on the ground up to the privacy fence and covered it back with the sod. Never know its there until they try to dig, then you just see where the sod is dug up a bit with the wire stopping any real progress.
I did maintenance for a 157 dog kennel for 13 years
As I mentioned in the original post, burying anything is a no go. Due to utilities and two separate 5x8 concrete slabs that are poured right up against the fence in different areas. I do plan on buying a sledge hammer as my winter workout. lol
Our house sits on the corner, so the little easement between my house and the one to the south has sewer access, the electrical box for the buried lines, cable box for buried lines, etc.
So you have concrete in one area that you want removed, and you don't want dogs digging in other areas.
Sounds to me like what you really need is a way to get your dogs to dig up the concrete.
That would be fantastic!
Marjorie Suddard said:Dr. Hess said:
I had a dog once, 5/8ths Pit Bull, 1/4 Rhodesian Ridgeback, that figured out how to just push right through a chain link fence. Wouldn't even slow her down.
Eventually, though, she must've strained herself too much to continue, right?
No, she was 60 lbs of pure muscle. She figured it out at the vet getting "fixed." They had her in a little cage with a chain link door. Just push really hard right here at the bottom and the whole thing opens up for you. Electric fence was the only way to keep her in.
Dr. Hess said:Marjorie Suddard said:Dr. Hess said:
I had a dog once, 5/8ths Pit Bull, 1/4 Rhodesian Ridgeback, that figured out how to just push right through a chain link fence. Wouldn't even slow her down.
Eventually, though, she must've strained herself too much to continue, right?
No, she was 60 lbs of pure muscle. She figured it out at the vet getting "fixed." They had her in a little cage with a chain link door. Just push really hard right here at the bottom and the whole thing opens up for you. Electric fence was the only way to keep her in.
Milo the Great Pyrenees - a breed that would make Steve McQueen look like an ameteur escape artist - has to be kept in a special crate at the groomers. He was first on a nylon leash in cubbies. Bit through that and without making a quick movement or sound, slowly ambled off like "hey guys, its been great, but I'm gonna go home". Then he was in a crate that he somehow figured out how to pick the "lock". Now he is in one that he probably could push through if he really wanted, and I'm sure would if he was kept in there long enoough, but he can't pick the lock and it would be noticeable to the staff i fhe was trying to push through.
A friend of ours has a husky mix that, while at a kennel, picked her lock then proceeded to pick the lock of her 3 best friends that were there so they could have a party. I think the video is on the internet somewhere.
Dr. Hess said:I had a dog once, 5/8ths Pit Bull, 1/4 Rhodesian Ridgeback, that figured out how to just push right through a chain link fence. Wouldn't even slow her down.
It was because your dog was missing 1/8 of their genetic makeup- they just phased throught he fence. 
In reply to z31maniac :
No utilities are buried as shallow as i am talking about. An inch, covered in sod, dirt, mulch, lava rock, etc. Heck, lay it straight on top of the ground and hold it down with those cheapy L shaped wire tent stakes until the grass grows through it.
In reply to mtn :
Our big dog required dramatic reinforcement of her large crate. The stay in the crate at night and when we are gone.
Any spot where two pieces meet, lots of zip ties all the down the joint. Then when we close the door, we have to put a caribbeaner on the top and bottom of the door. She doesn't "pick the lock" so much as she uses brute strength to push herself between any gap.
I came home one day to find her staring at me in the kitchen. The door was still closed, but she some how managed to bend the door enough while closed to just force her way out. This is also the same dog that had happy tail when we first got here. Wack the end of her tail on everything so hard it would just bleed and then her wagging her tail would fling it everywhere.
What about a "dog whistle" that goes off when they get close to the fence......
or a water sprayer......
Would putting pavers along the fence help? Maybe some 12"x12" or 18"X18" ones to force them try to dig farther from the fenceline, so they might just give up instead?
Brett_Murphy said:Dr. Hess said:I had a dog once, 5/8ths Pit Bull, 1/4 Rhodesian Ridgeback, that figured out how to just push right through a chain link fence. Wouldn't even slow her down.
It was because your dog was missing 1/8 of their genetic makeup- they just phased throught he fence.
1/8th Doberman.
Chicken wire buried just under the surface. They'll hit the wire and give up pretty quick.
Cut strips 18-24 inches wide. Dig down a couple of inches and lay it flat on the ground and cover it over. Where there are tree roots etc, just lay it over the roots and drag some dirt over it to hide it, even cover it with mulch if need be.
Our dog dug himself out under a gate several times. I put chicken wire down in that area, he tried twice more after that and gave up.... Never so much as tried digging there again.
Step 1: hump all the dogs involved on either side of the fence to establish dominance, while also setting yourself up for lifelong stories.
Step 2: pee and/or poop everywhere you don’t want them digging. The dogs will understand because - dogs. Any humans will not understand, but again - lifelong stories.
Edit: by humping I meant “dry humping” (in case someone was tempted to take me literally, which would be potentially dangerous.)
Dr. Hess said:Marjorie Suddard said:Dr. Hess said:
I had a dog once, 5/8ths Pit Bull, 1/4 Rhodesian Ridgeback, that figured out how to just push right through a chain link fence. Wouldn't even slow her down.
Eventually, though, she must've strained herself too much to continue, right?
No, she was 60 lbs of pure muscle. She figured it out at the vet getting "fixed." They had her in a little cage with a chain link door. Just push really hard right here at the bottom and the whole thing opens up for you. Electric fence was the only way to keep her in.
Read it again, you missed the joke
Justjim75 said:In reply to z31maniac :
No utilities are buried as shallow as i am talking about. An inch, covered in sod, dirt, mulch, lava rock, etc. Heck, lay it straight on top of the ground and hold it down with those cheapy L shaped wire tent stakes until the grass grows through it.
Yeah, but you missed the other stuff about concrete, gas meter, tree stump that is close enough to the meter we can't grind the stump, etc. I wasn't joking when I said burying something on the inside of the fence line is not an option. Period. I'm not trying to be harsh, but I've explained why it's not a few times and then keep getting the suggestion to do something I can't.
Curtis said:See how much a gallon or two of tabasco costs. It sounds inhumane, but it's actually vet approved.
It will make their paws burn while they're digging and they will only burn for an hour or so. Instant reinforcement of what they're doing = consequence + just enough reminder time.
Many dogs won't even approach the fence with tabasco. The smell is so strong it makes them sneeze.
Other dogs will not be fazed and they'll dig until their paws are bloody stumps anyway.
Today I learned you can buy Tabasco by the gallon.
Steve_Jones said:Dr. Hess said:Marjorie Suddard said:Dr. Hess said:
I had a dog once, 5/8ths Pit Bull, 1/4 Rhodesian Ridgeback, that figured out how to just push right through a chain link fence. Wouldn't even slow her down.
Eventually, though, she must've strained herself too much to continue, right?
No, she was 60 lbs of pure muscle. She figured it out at the vet getting "fixed." They had her in a little cage with a chain link door. Just push really hard right here at the bottom and the whole thing opens up for you. Electric fence was the only way to keep her in.
Read it again, you missed the joke
You know, when Marjorie made that post, my joke/sarcasm detector went off, but I read and re-read that exchange, and I came up with nothing. I don't get it. Somebody care to explain?
In reply to z31maniac :
I truly am an expert on this subject and either you dont like my reccomendation or you dont understand it, but anywhere there is a place to plant something (you asked about plants) you can put down wire, period. No need to worry with concrete and i certainly wasnt suggesting you put wire on it. Good luck because most of these other suggestions are a waste of time. Whatever meter there is can have wire around it too. I have installed hundreds of yards of 2×4 (the grid is 2"×4") fence around conduit, pipes, gates, concrete paddocks, trees, light posts etc.
Ive seen dogs chew brick, jump up on an electrified fence, shock themselves to the point of pissing and do it again 10 min later. Ive seen a fox terrier climb 6 feet of chain link, jump on a roof, run to the other side and jump 9 feet down to freedom and never slow down.
1988RedT2 said:Steve_Jones said:Dr. Hess said:Marjorie Suddard said:Dr. Hess said:
I had a dog once, 5/8ths Pit Bull, 1/4 Rhodesian Ridgeback, that figured out how to just push right through a chain link fence. Wouldn't even slow her down.
Eventually, though, she must've strained herself too much to continue, right?
No, she was 60 lbs of pure muscle. She figured it out at the vet getting "fixed." They had her in a little cage with a chain link door. Just push really hard right here at the bottom and the whole thing opens up for you. Electric fence was the only way to keep her in.
Read it again, you missed the joke
You know, when Marjorie made that post, my joke/sarcasm detector went off, but I read and re-read that exchange, and I came up with nothing. I don't get it. Somebody care to explain?
Don't feel bad. I don't get it either.
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