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dyintorace (Forum Supporter)
dyintorace (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
6/6/20 4:41 p.m.

We have some friends who have done a good job of convincing us to buy a Wrangler to go offroading with them. We live in FL, so the offroading  they do is forest, sand, water, etc. Not rock crawling. Assuming a roughly $15k budget, what is the best Wrangler to buy? Generation, model, reasonable mileage, etc. I'd like to have a hard top and soft top option, as open motoring would be a bonus. 

That said, I like being different, so if there is something cooler that does the same things well, I'd be interested in that too. A Defender 90 would be super cool, but they are ridiculously expensive now. As are old Broncos. Anything else to consider (with a top that comes off)? 

Mr_Asa
Mr_Asa Dork
6/6/20 4:47 p.m.

I think you've listed most of 'em except a full size blazer/K5.  No clue what their price range is, though.  

With where you live, and having National Parts Depot down the interstate, I'd be leaning towards Bronco myself.

dyintorace (Forum Supporter)
dyintorace (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
6/6/20 4:51 p.m.

While an old 'something' would be neat, realistically, a Wrangler makes the most sense. I guess I'm really asking what Wrangler to buy. :)

lotusseven7 (Forum Supporter)
lotusseven7 (Forum Supporter) Reader
6/6/20 5:15 p.m.

LJ Rubicon if you can find one.

Steve_Jones
Steve_Jones Reader
6/6/20 5:15 p.m.

04-06 2 dr unlimited is what you want. 

dyintorace (Forum Supporter)
dyintorace (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
6/6/20 5:41 p.m.

What are the differences between a Wrangler and Wrangler Unlimited?

EDIT: Evidently just 2 door vs. 4 doors. Interesting.

bearmtnmartin
bearmtnmartin GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
6/6/20 5:44 p.m.

Land Rover LR 3 or 4

Teh E36 M3
Teh E36 M3 SuperDork
6/6/20 6:42 p.m.

1st gen 4Runner if you can find a decent one.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/6/20 6:45 p.m.
dyintorace (Forum Supporter) said:

What are the differences between a Wrangler and Wrangler Unlimited?

EDIT: Evidently just 2 door vs. 4 doors. Interesting.

Iirc it's actually short vs long wheelbase. The only LWB 2 door is the elusive LJ. Great size, sought after and priced accordingly. But it's the one I'd want. 

John Welsh (Moderate Supporter)
John Welsh (Moderate Supporter) Mod Squad
6/6/20 7:22 p.m.

Chevy/Geo Tracker, Suzuki Sidekick/Vitara

Sample

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/6/20 7:54 p.m.

This is what an LJ Wrangler Unlimited looks like:

You can see it's a bit longer than a regular Wrangler of the same vintage and actually has a usable trunk. And if you're really into Unicorn Hunting, they made a Rubicon version of this model Unlimited as well.

There may even be a build thread for one.

The later Unlimiteds are 4 doors as you mentioned above.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/6/20 8:01 p.m.

My sister in law has a LJ Rubicon. It's the only Wrangler I've ever wanted. 

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/6/20 8:14 p.m.

Speaking of LJs - you can find them for your budget, although not necessarily with a hardtop. I paid considerably less than $15k for the one above, but that probably had something to do with the iron oxide underneath it and the fact that I made the purchase between Christmas and New Year. 

pres589 (djronnebaum)
pres589 (djronnebaum) PowerDork
6/6/20 9:44 p.m.

Here are the only options that make any sense to me.  A Samuari;

 

 

James Garner's Baja Cutlass;

 

Or a lifted Exocet;

MrChaos
MrChaos GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
6/6/20 10:02 p.m.

 

imported 70 series land cruiser?

or a Mitsubishi jeep (Japanese CJ2a with d30/d44 combo with a mitsu turbo diesel and a 5 speed.)

https://www.paladintrucks.com/new-inventory-page

captdownshift (Forum Supporter)
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
6/6/20 10:59 p.m.

Isuzu Amigo

Is this vehicle something you would want to daily drive or more of a weekend/trail toy? If the latter, I can't think of anything that would give you a purer experience than an old flatfender Willys.

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1948-jeep-willys/7135260043.html

 

ddavidv
ddavidv PowerDork
6/7/20 7:07 a.m.

Wrangler prices are stupid, at least around where I live. The current popularity and sky-high prices of new ones has driven the market to silly levels. They are good vehicles, but...

I see a lot of CJ's selling for more realistic money. The problem is they are old and 90% of them will have hopelessly rotten bodies and sometimes rusted or cracked frames. You have to be a careful shopper. But, you can find some out there that are good deals, even ones with replacement fiberglass tubs. If it's not something you'll use for regular daily use then a CJ is a worthy contender.

The old pre-1970s Willys and Kaiser Jeeps are going to suffer from ancient engines and really archaic steering, brakes and suspension. Those things are hardcore. And really, really old now so plan on lots of repairs.

I wouldn't buy anything that says 'Land Rover' on it unless you like wrenching more than driving.

OHSCrifle
OHSCrifle GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
6/7/20 7:25 a.m.

Does Toyman still have his silver tin top Samurai? IIRC he was willing to sell that for a fraction of your target budget. 
 

already engine swapped and definitely in the "wrangler-like" category

 

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/build-projects-and-project-cars/1988-suzuki-samurai-expedition-machine/75777/page1/

tester (Forum Supporter)
tester (Forum Supporter) Reader
6/7/20 8:30 a.m.

I like my TJ. I bought it for $5K almost 5 years ago with a little over 100k miles on it. It needed some TLC. I replaced the exhaust manifold, O2 sensor, plugs-wires, water pump, and the radiator. If you can find one that looks ok with no rust but needs deferred maintenance, then you can get a decent deal.
 

The inline 6 is generally preferred over the 4 cylinder in the TJ models. However, if you are not taking it on the highway much, the 4 might be ok. 
 

The water pump was real a "while I was there" when replacing the radiator. The plastic top tank on the radiator cracked. It was plugged with gunk from a lack of fluid changes. I went to an aftermarket aluminum radiator. It was not much more expensive than the stock replacement. A little fab work was required to make it fit, but it was worth the piece of mind. 
 

The exhaust manifolds are a known weak point, most of the aftermarket ones ate better than stock. They tend to crack and foul the O2 sensors and generally make the Jeep run like E36 M3. 
 

My TJ has the smaller axles, Dana 30 and 35. This is not an issue with up to the max stock wheel and tire combo, 30 by 9ish, if I remember correctly. The small axles also shouldn't be a problem unless you go to big tires and/or start rock crawling. I am in South Carolina so I see a lot of the same terrain: sand, red clay, mud...  so no issues with a Sport. 

 

The Rubicon and Sahara had Dana 44s. The Sahara may only have the 44 rear axle on some years. The lockers on these higher spec models are really the selling point for mud and sand terrain. The Rubicon has the heavy axles and lockers at both ends. 

Look the frame and undercarriage over for rust. These things can rust pretty badly if they have been up north for any length of time. 

 TJs are easy to work on for the most part. The engine is super easy to access. The axles are pretty reasonable to service. The only gotcha from my perspective is the integrated transmission mount and skid plate. The mounting bosses for the skid plate are glorified nutserts and tend to spin in the frame. This can make dropping the transmission for clutch work or seals a prolonged experience. You can do fluids without dropping the plate, so routine maintenance isn't really effected. 
 

All the parts and then some are available!!! You can literally build a new TJ Jeep out of a catalog and a stack of cash. As an example, the rear window on the soft top is a wear item that you can buy without buying the entire top. At the other end of the spectrum, I am pretty sure that you can buy a complete body. 

I will say, after taking care of the deferred maintenance the TJ has been a solid semi daily driver. Some weeks, I drive it every day, others not so much. It pretty much depends on the weather. It also does a nice jop towing a small utility trailer for yard work and runs to the hardware store.  It also parks like a sub compact when not hooked to the trailer. 

barefootskater
barefootskater SuperDork
6/7/20 8:55 a.m.

I'd buy a cj5 or cj7 before any wrangler, that said, a manual wrangler is still pretty high on my list. Samurai is also a very worthy off road vehicle as long as you don't need to drag race it. Or pass anyone. Or tow anything. My old man is trying to sell his cj2a project. It's built on a samurai frame and axles. 350, t90. You could finish it under your budget but getting it to Florida would be too much hassle. 

Were it me, the cheapest s.o.b. you're likely to meet, I'd buy an old suburban. Something pre LS. Super cheap, Uber reliable. Parts are everywhere. They'll embarrass a lot of Jeep guys that just throw money at showroom JKs. Seriously, a 3/4 suburban with a couple inches of lift and some 35s will go damn near anywhere. Especially with a proper diff. 

lotusseven7 (Forum Supporter)
lotusseven7 (Forum Supporter) Reader
6/7/20 9:11 a.m.

 Mahindra Roxor? Brand new for around $15k.

 

MrChaos
MrChaos GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
6/7/20 9:22 a.m.

In reply to lotusseven7 (Forum Supporter) :

not street legal.

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
6/7/20 9:24 a.m.

Straight axle Toyota pickup. You will thank me later. 

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