I don't think Mustangs are any more spin-prone than anything else. I just think they are by far the most popular high-powered RWD car on the road, so obviously there are going to be more of them involved in idiocy than any other car. It's just math.
I don't think Mustangs are any more spin-prone than anything else. I just think they are by far the most popular high-powered RWD car on the road, so obviously there are going to be more of them involved in idiocy than any other car. It's just math.
Tom_Spangler wrote: I don't think Mustangs are any more spin-prone than anything else. I just think they are by far the most popular high-powered RWD car on the road, so obviously there are going to be more of them involved in idiocy than any other car. It's just math.
S2000's have a reputation for being spin-prone. Sure enough, I have seen lots of S2000's and 2nd Gen MR2's spin at track days.
But it's no more spin happy than my MCoupe was. Although the rear geometry on the S2000 was improved going into the 2nd iteration, the first is still far superior to the semi-trailing arms of the E30, ti, Z3, and MCoupe. Yet none of those BMW's has a reputation for being spin-happy like the S2000.
The difference is probably that the people buying an S2000 are more likely to be ricer, tuner, Japanese compact fans, and are not yet used to the handling dynamics of RWD, and are choosing something moderately high performance as their first foray into that. The BMW guy has very likely had experience driving lower performance RWD Euro cars before.
That Mustang Guy is probably used to driving FWD sedans, or maybe pickup trucks.
Nick (LUCAS) Comstock wrote:crankwalk wrote: The snap oversteer in the opposite direction on these Mustang videos leaving a car show is crazy. Mustang owners: Buy a Cobra with IRS. The life you save could be your own.I've been full opposite lock many, many times in various solid rear axle vehicles. I don't think the solid rear axle is the problem. Honestly, I always thought (having never driven one so I can't say for sure) that the biggest reason the Mustang isn't very forgiving is the short wheelbase. Combine that with lots of power and lack of talent and you get this. It's certainly not limited to Mustangs, it's just a lot of fun to make fun of mustang guy.
I was the same way in hte C4, full opposite lock tail out. IT was an IRS. Has nuttin' to do with the car and everything to do with the talent.
Looking at the videos, I am not seeing much steering input during the fishtails, and what little I am seeing is coming way too late.
NOHOME wrote: Seems to be something in the coffee
I shared this one to the Facebook Event page for our first event this weekend. It is causing much hilarity. Including my uncle, with a 2014 Mustang 
Beer Baron wrote: The difference is probably that the people buying an S2000 are more likely to be ricer, tuner, Japanese compact fans, and are not yet used to the handling dynamics of RWD, and are choosing something moderately high performance as their first foray into that. The BMW guy has very likely had experience driving lower performance RWD Euro cars before. That Mustang Guy is probably used to driving FWD sedans, or maybe pickup trucks.
There may be some truth to your generalizations, but I still think it's a matter of numbers. OK, so the S2000 is spin-prone, but you don't see memes about it. Maybe that's because Honda sold a grand total of 66,000 of them in the US during the car's entire model run. That's the same number as Ford sold Mustangs in 2009 alone, which was the Mustang's worst sales year ever. As for BMWs, the E30 is by far the highest-selling of the three you mentioned, and in it's best year they sold 61,000 of them.
My point being that the reason for this phenomena is the sheer number of Mustangs on the road, more than anything else.
Brett_Murphy wrote: Looking at the videos, I am not seeing much steering input during the fishtails, and what little I am seeing is coming way too late.
That is what I mean by lack of driving ability... not recognizing the need to do something with that steering wheel, or not doing enough with it. And then, absolute worst, letting off the throttle while sideways, which WILL require a rapid and immediate steering correction WHEN the rear end grabs.
I am not going to suggest that I have any kind of superior driving skillz. But if you watch this treatise on driving a short wheelbase car, you'll notice: I don't lift when sideways. Ever. And I CATCH THE CAR when it snaps back, because I manage to get sufficient steering input in time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeqwJMKIFYs
I have to say that I agree with Knurled. I have most of my "drifting" experience on the dirt fireroads that criss cross the forests of South Jersey.. if you are intune with the car, you can feel when the rear starts to go and the car really wants to already start correcting for you. If the rear steps out to the right.. the front wheels want to stay straight to the direction you were going.. so they will "turn" to the right also.. and vice versa.
It is the ham fisted drivers who can't feel what the car is doing or are doing a redline clutch drop where the rear wheel's simply overpower the grip of the fronts that brings us to the whole "mustangs hitting things"
Tom_Spangler wrote: There may be some truth to your generalizations, but I still think it's a matter of numbers. OK, so the S2000 is spin-prone, but you don't see memes about it. Maybe that's because Honda sold a grand total of 66,000 of them in the US during the car's entire model run. That's the same number as Ford sold Mustangs in 2009 alone, which was the Mustang's worst sales year ever. As for BMWs, the E30 is by far the highest-selling of the three you mentioned, and in it's best year they sold 61,000 of them. My point being that the reason for this phenomena is the sheer number of Mustangs on the road, more than anything else.
Your sound reasoning and backing with real numbers have no place on the Internet! 
For what it's worth, I agree 100%.
mad_machine wrote: It is the ham fisted drivers who can't feel what the car is doing or are doing a redline clutch drop where the rear wheel's simply overpower the grip of the fronts that brings us to the whole "mustangs hitting things"
I'd say, ham-fistedness aside, that poor decision making is at the root of "Mustangs hitting things." It's just generally not a good idea to get drifty on public roads where there are things to hit in the first place
Found this. They even get their own crash site: http://www.stangwrecks.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/25
and it's full of spam!
I have a Mustang,yet I am enjoying this thread. But then I had Miatas for about 8 years before now so I guess I don't worry much about a cars stereotype
I live in a house that was delivered on wheels, have a mullet, drive and El Camino, grew up a mopar guy, but don't have a neck tattoo. Mostly because I don't have much of a neck (and I think that neck and face tattoo is berkeleying stupid. It's condemning yourself to burger flipping for life ).
I'm enjoying this thread immensely, as it's making fun of all the stereotypes I fit.
I've never owned a mustang or camaro though.
Dusterbd13 wrote: I live in a house that was delivered on wheels, have a mullet, drive and El Camino, grew up a mopar guy, but don't have a neck tattoo. Mostly because I don't have much of a neck (and I think that neck and face tattoo is berkeleying stupid. It's condemning yourself to burger flipping for life ). I'm enjoying this thread immensely, as it's making fun of all the stereotypes I fit. I've never owned a mustang or camaro though.
Don't worry. An El Camino counts as five Camaros. 
El Camino is what Camaro owners aspire to be.
There is entirely too much civil discussion and good natured banter in here. This might be the only place on the internet that a thread poking fun at Mustangs and their drivers doesn't degenerate into cuss words and crass insults.
BlueInGreen44 wrote: There is entirely too much civil discussion and good natured banter in here. This might be the only place on the internet that a thread poking fun at Mustangs and their drivers doesn't degenerate into cuss words and crass insults.
Harrumph! I shall insinuate rumour regarding the loose morals of your parentage posthaste!
I own Camaros, and have burnt many sets of tires off, on all 4 wheels, thank you very much. I've never hit a parked car or a building, so I can only assume that Camaro drivers are superior to Mustang drivers.
If I had any hair left, I'd gladly rock a mullet.
Knurled wrote:BlueInGreen44 wrote: There is entirely too much civil discussion and good natured banter in here. This might be the only place on the internet that a thread poking fun at Mustangs and their drivers doesn't degenerate into cuss words and crass insults.Harrumph! I shall insinuate rumour regarding the loose morals of your parentage posthaste!
And your father smelled of elderberries !!
Is anyone else seriously tired of the generalization and finger pointing going on?
Honestly, instead of educating and helping these people learn from their mistakes, everyone is just jumping on the bandwagon, grabbing their pitch forks, lighting their torches and heading towards the castle.
I just feel that this sort of behavior is part of what is so completely wrong with the car enthusiast world in general.
or maybe its just me.
In reply to Stefan (Not Bruce):
Why do you hate America?
because my brain isn't encephalitic due to virus infected mosquitoes?
In reply to Beer Baron:
I smell a terrorist.
sigh, ok. I'm on my own then. berkeley I hate car people sometimes.
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