Where will inflation stop?

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

So the only two choices are Libertarian or Frenchydtarian? 
 

In reply to Boost_Crazy :

I'm going to go back to watching how this plays out. 

No Time said:

In reply to Boost_Crazy :

I'm going to go back to watching how this plays out. 

In before the lock. 

I was on a call with a French colleague the other day.  Out of the blue he says ..."Charle, are things umm umm going up over there?  Here it is becoming crazy..."

At least it's not just a US problem.

Boost_Crazy said:

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

So the only two choices are Libertarian or Frenchydtarian? 
 

And speaking of the French Resistance, has anybody mentioned the Nazis, yet?

Did you know that Hermann Goring flew with the Red Baron in World War I and hung out with Charles Lindbergh between the wars? And the Luftwaffe did studies on snapping with metal gloves.

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

And the Luftwaffe did studies on snapping with metal gloves.

I told you it had already been done. We snatched up German scientists after the war to learn everything we could about their metal glove snapping research. 
 

A 401 CJ said:

I was on a call with a French colleague the other day.  Out of the blue he says ..."Charle, are things umm umm going up over there?  Here it is becoming crazy..."

At least it's not just a US problem.

Man I wish the Americans were as ballsy and free as the French.

Lower pensions 0.5%? The frogs have burned a cop car already and firefighters are punching out cops in the streets. Badass.

GIRTHQUAKE said:

A 401 CJ said:

I was on a call with a French colleague the other day.  Out of the blue he says ..."Charle, are things umm umm going up over there?  Here it is becoming crazy..."

At least it's not just a US problem.

Man I wish the Americans were as ballsy and free as the French.

Lower pensions 0.5%? The frogs have burned a cop car already and firefighters are punching out cops in the streets. Badass.

They put up speed cameras in the '90s like the rest of the European countries.  The French drivers stopped their cars, got out and smashed every single one.

Boost_Crazy said:

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

And the Luftwaffe did studies on snapping with metal gloves.

I told you it had already been done. We snatched up German scientists after the war to learn everything we could about their metal glove snapping research. 
 

 

Try and get those studies away from the CIA. You would be better off getting them from the French!

GIRTHQUAKE said:

A 401 CJ said:

I was on a call with a French colleague the other day.  Out of the blue he says ..."Charle, are things umm umm going up over there?  Here it is becoming crazy..."

At least it's not just a US problem.

Man I wish the Americans were as ballsy and free as the French.

Lower pensions 0.5%? The frogs have burned a cop car already and firefighters are punching out cops in the streets. Badass.

The French understand freedom in a way that inspired America to declare its independence.   
 They also financed America's revolutionary war.   But that bit of expense ( $75 million)  was the straw that broke the camels back.  Since the rulers wouldn't cut back on their spending the French population  cut back on the rulers.  A French Doctor,      Guillotine, Devised a humane   way to cut 20% of each ruler off ( and their family). 

I like French Fries.

In reply to GIRTHQUAKE :

If the American market "isn't tangible"- your words- then why did China attempt a blockade? Bro if you don't see how a nation attempting to force another into economic submission with violence isn't a tangible thing, I can't do anything for you.

You might want to consider looking up the word "tangible." When referring to currency and its backing people are normally talking about precious metals. Im not saying access to markets and force isnt valuable. Only that its not tangible. Many countries have propped up their currency (wether it was backed by something tangible or not) with economics and force. A couple quickly: Rome, France, Spain, Britain. You know what they all had in common? They where all the reserve currency until they weren't.

Not what I said. You're claiming that historically fiat currencies fail, except you're trying to compare to an era without the economic controls we have, or the internet, or the sheer wealth, or collective experience... Prior to 1950 we had a crash every 5 years or so.

Im not saying historically fiat currencies fail. Im saying historically all currencies fail. My feelings on fiat currency is it is more prone to manipulation, but it does have some benefits if you can prevent manipulation. If you disagree thats fine. The founding fathers got brought up because largely if not unanimously they agreed with me. I brought up the Sterling, that you admittedly have never heard of, because you mentioned we couldnt replace the dollar without a recession, we will come back to that recession part, because the other currencies are smaller. The sterling was replaced as the reserve currency BY A SMALLER CURRENCY. Now about the recession part, governments all over the world routinely do things that directly or indirectly cause recessions, why is this exempt? How many of the thousands of examples do you want? Its also funny you mention the controls we have today and how they will protect us when we are on the verge of what could potentially be a banking collapse. The banking industry is completely built on a system of confidence, and we are seeing how when public opinion shifts how quickly it can crumble, you know what else is essentially built on confidence? ALL FIAT CURRENCY.

Because you keep using BRICS as an example of the "Importance of the American Market decreasing" (also your words) and I'm pointing out that half of those nations are actively fighting each other or falling apart. Which of them can protect their markets and local waters like America can force project? The only two in BRICS, to keep using them as a punching bag, are India and China- and India is an American ally that's doing it to contain China.

Had you approached this from a standpoint of "Other continents are rapidly unifying like the EU to make competing markets to the US's dominance" I'd agree, and frankly it'll probably be a great thing for African nations to have their own like the African Union. But I'm confused here, because it seriously seems like you're trying to make some similar claim to "The west has fallen" meme, when in reality they're able to do this partially because we've enforced open seas for decades.

Im not saying the American market is unimportant, only that its importance is decreasing. You can see this in the importance of the Chinese market which is illustrated by the influence they can exert on even American companies and industries. Yes BRICS isnt a perfect alliance, just like none of the US's alliances are, but we all agree that the US dollar is at least partially propped up by the petrodollar, and do you know what the countries in BRICS and trying to get into BRICS are? The largest oil exporters in the world. Do you know what they are all working on together? Replacing the West's dominance in global institutions (ie: the petrodollar). Do you know who are the largest oil importers in the world? Largely the West and our allies. Why do you think we support Saudi Arabia when they are leading a genocide in Yemen, because they are the largest oil exporter in the world and they have some geopolitical leverage because of that. Now combine them with other oil producers that want to join BRICS like the UAE, Iraq, and the ones already in like Russia, and they have A BUNCH of geopolitical leverage with an attack vector for a major underpinning of the US dollar.

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

I like French Fries.

Wow, don't get me started.

I love a good French fry, and hate a bad one more than high inflation, but unfortunately bad fries have become the norm. And FYI, they're not really French, they hail from the birthplace of motocross, Belgium.

My one contribution,  

The answer to the question is easy, peasy- where will inflation stop?  It won't.  It never has, and it never will as long as there's any degree of expansion of the population and economy.

There have been some products that took time to stabilize their price in the economy, going from really slowly hand made items transitioning to highly automated production.  But once that has been largely realized, the price of that product will climb.

History is pretty obvious about that.

Peabody said:

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

I like French Fries.

Wow, don't get me started.

I love a good French fry, and hate a bad one more than high inflation, but unfortunately bad fries have become the norm. And FYI, they're not really French, they hail from the birthplace of motocross, Belgium.

In English, it French is the name of the cut of the nominal fried stick of potato.  So they should be called French Cut Fries for most, but French became the name just like nose tissue is Kleenex.   Now it applies to fried things that are nowhere near a French cut.

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

Boost_Crazy said:

In reply to frenchyd :

In reply to Boost_Crazy :

If it's so easy then please do it.  Get the grant.   At that point you'll have some merit.

  Until then  you are displaying your Lack  of knowledge. 
  I get a kick out of people who say it's so easy to get or do something when they have absolutely no knowledge, just something they have heard. 
 

Ignoring the fact that you are completely missing the whole point of this conversation (hint: it's not about finger snap research)- would you then agree that you should not talk about building houses or fixing Jaguars since you are not a licensed contractor, nor a certified Jaguar mechanic? 

Meh. The point of this conversation is to keep repeating libertarian anti-government talking points over and over and over again. 

Of course we all have a crazy libertarian uncle that nobody wants to sit next to on Thanksgiving that everybody is a little afraid of. When he isn't driving his friends and family crazy ranting and raving about how the gohvernment is wasting HIS tax money doing endless studies about the elasticity of dog poop while they are trying to eat their mashed potatoes, then he is on Internet forums for hours and hours posting about...

Nevermind. 

 

Saying fiscal responsibility, actually wanting a proportional benefit for your money, and a third of all your productive labor going to taxes are " libertarian anti government talking points" is crazy. Its a mainstream view, just not for our politicians. Most normal people would agree with those things, thats why so many of the taxes are "hidden." Tell people they pay a third of all their money into taxes and they dont believe you or think its high, it literally happened in this thread, all people think about is income taxes. I never said we should get rid of taxes only that they take a very large amount, larger than most people think, and they arent good stewards of it, also not a controversial opinion. I even said most people wouldnt be mad about this if they thought the government spent the money better.

Its exactly what the establishment wants from you, both parties tell you they are the responsible one and to look over here at this shiny new culture war object, while they pretty much unanimously vote on massive spending bills and helping their richest donors, and if you ever want something that may help somebody, "well there just isnt enough money looks like we need a new tax." All while they convice you fiscal responsibility is an extremist anti government libertarian view.

In reply to Opti :

Really,  so what?   Where else would you like to live that collects less taxes?
     I live in a state that has relatively high taxes.   But we also have relatively  high income.  And relatively decent government services.   
 Places that have no state income taxes , cheap housing, etc. have no appeal for me.    I have learned that you get what you pay for.

High income?  OK you pay high taxes.   But you also tend to get high benefits.  Things like property that appreciates quickly.  Good schools, proper police that respect civil rights.   Decent amenities. Etc.  
Finally the number one factor in a long life is your zip code.    That's right,  the difference between the shortest average  lifespan and the longest average lifetime lifespan in almost any given state is the Zip code. It can mean a difference  of up to 30 years.   ( that's a polite way of saying how much money do you have). 

Opti said:

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

Boost_Crazy said:

In reply to frenchyd :

In reply to Boost_Crazy :

If it's so easy then please do it.  Get the grant.   At that point you'll have some merit.

  Until then  you are displaying your Lack  of knowledge. 
  I get a kick out of people who say it's so easy to get or do something when they have absolutely no knowledge, just something they have heard. 
 

Ignoring the fact that you are completely missing the whole point of this conversation (hint: it's not about finger snap research)- would you then agree that you should not talk about building houses or fixing Jaguars since you are not a licensed contractor, nor a certified Jaguar mechanic? 

Meh. The point of this conversation is to keep repeating libertarian anti-government talking points over and over and over again. 

Of course we all have a crazy libertarian uncle that nobody wants to sit next to on Thanksgiving that everybody is a little afraid of. When he isn't driving his friends and family crazy ranting and raving about how the gohvernment is wasting HIS tax money doing endless studies about the elasticity of dog poop while they are trying to eat their mashed potatoes, then he is on Internet forums for hours and hours posting about...

Nevermind. 

 

Saying fiscal responsibility, actually wanting a proportional benefit for your money, and a third of all your productive labor going to taxes are " libertarian anti government talking points" is crazy. Its a mainstream view, just not for our politicians. Most normal people would agree with those things, thats why so many of the taxes are "hidden." Tell people they pay a third of all their money into taxes and they dont believe you or think its high, it literally happened in this thread, all people think about is income taxes. I never said we should get rid of taxes only that they take a very large amount, larger than most people think, and they arent good stewards of it, also not a controversial opinion. I even said most people wouldnt be mad about this if they thought the government spent the money better.

Its exactly what the establishment wants from you, both parties tell you they are the responsible one and to look over here at this shiny new culture war object, while they pretty much unanimously vote on massive spending bills and helping their richest donors, and if you ever want something that may help somebody, "well there just isnt enough money looks like we need a new tax." All while they convice you fiscal responsibility is an extremist anti government libertarian view.

Ranting on and on and on about it on a car forum where we aren't supposed to discuss political issues is what is crazy. That and the fact that you libertarians can pack social media sites with your talking points and still not elect more than one or two candidates to congress. That should tell you that you haven't convinced the majority of people in this country that you are right.

Yeah, yeah. There are a million conspiracy theories out there and some of them involve the Easter Bunny and Little Green Men from Alpha Centauri infiltrating the Fed, but until you convince the majority and start winning elections, you are just that Crazy Uncle ranting at the wind.

In reply to frenchyd :

You are correct the richest tend to live the longest. You are wrong in that it has anything to do with paying high taxes. Rich people tend to pay more taxes, and they tend to live longer, but correlation doesnt mean causation.

But maybe youre right, why should we care about anything the government does? They want to support a genocide in Yemen, so what. They want to inflate our money into oblivion, so what. They want to prop up all the big banks, so what. Why dont we just have them take ALL of our earnings, who cares right? Sounds like what you are advocating for is even less accountability from the government (there already isnt much). Lets just forget about things like " of the people. by the people, for the people." Sounds like a great plan. Lincoln was dumb anyway, right?

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

Im not a Libertarian. The only reason I talk about the two big parties is because they are the only ones that win elections, the big L Libertarians are too busy arguing about if driver's licenses are constitutional to actually be effective.

What conspiracy theories have I brought up?

Opti said:

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

Im not a Libertarian. The only reason I talk about the two big parties is because they are the only ones that win elections, the big L Libertarians are too busy arguing about if driver's licenses are constitutional to actually be effective.

What conspiracy theories have I brought up?

I didn't say you brought up any conspiracy theories. My exact words were "There are a million conspiracy theories out there."

In reply to frenchyd :

Really,  so what?   Where else would you like to live that collects less taxes?
     I live in a state that has relatively high taxes.   But we also have relatively  high income.  And relatively decent government services.   
 Places that have no state income taxes , cheap housing, etc. have no appeal for me.    I have learned that you get what you pay for.

High income?  OK you pay high taxes.   But you also tend to get high benefits.  Things like property that appreciates quickly.  Good schools, proper police that respect civil rights.   Decent amenities. Etc.  
Finally the number one factor in a long life is your zip code.    That's right,  the difference between the shortest average  lifespan and the longest average lifetime lifespan in almost any given state is the Zip code. It can mean a difference  of up to 30 years.   ( that's a polite way of saying how much money do you have). 
 

Frenchyd- please, before you reply- just stop and think for a minute. Stop using your neighborhood as an example and extrapolating it to the rest of the country. There are lots of very nice places to live that have low taxes. There are places that have much higher taxes and many more services that are awful places to live. I can tell you, the increase in taxes, tax money and services has led to the decline of many areas. Go tell the hard working, tax paying people in huge swaths of California how much better off they are now. They will happily trade their homeless camps, crime, and higher taxes for your lake view. 

In reply to Boost_Crazy :

Actually that was based on Texas and Florida. Not Minnesota.  I'm not even sure what Minnesota numbers are but I'll bet they are close.   
     As far as California,  just try to buy something on or near the beach in California. 
     I'm sure there are exceptions.  There always are.  Plus it depends on what you want out of life.  

Cheap?  Mississippi,  Arkansas, Alabama, North Dakota, etc.   

   Expensive New York,  Connecticut,  California, Colorado, Minnesota, 

Even there there are cheap parts of those states  and expensive parts.  Look up how many of those expensive places have long life spans and how many cheap places have shorter life spans. 

In reply to Opti

 You have a very good point.  The government should be accountable.  
  But it's been that way since Washington put down the whiskey rebellion.  Governments do some good things and some bad things.  
  The great part of this country is that we the people get to peacefully change the government every 2 years.  
     
  Oh and regarding high taxes?  Rich people tend to want things like opera, art, Theater, Museums, etc. and they are expensive.  I suppose you could commute  into places like that and still live in Arkansas?   But that probably costs more than just paying taxes for those.  
 

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

Ranting on and on and on about it on a car forum where we aren't supposed to discuss political issues is what is crazy. That and the fact that you libertarians can pack social media sites with your talking points and still not elect more than one or two candidates to congress. That should tell you that you haven't convinced the majority of people in this country that you are right.

Yeah, yeah. There are a million conspiracy theories out there and some of them involve the Easter Bunny and Little Green Men from Alpha Centauri infiltrating the Fed, but until you convince the majority and start winning elections, you are just that Crazy Uncle ranting at the wind.

Trying to steer this thread away from a lock. It appears that you are the one injecting politics- perhaps in an effort to get shut it down? I'm sorry that you don't appreciate the conversation. But if you don't like it, you don't need to participate. If you don't agree, you are more than welcome to share your own opinions- within bounds. While I would absolutely love to debate you on what you wrote, I won't, because it would abuse the leeway out generous hosts have already given us. 
 

I will point out that taxes are not a political subject. While they do tend to get politicized, pretty much everyone agrees on the need for taxes and services. How much of each is up for debate, but most people are really not that far apart, and most people agree that there should be accountability for how their taxes are spent. If you can't see that, then just maybe you are the crazy uncle.