Which one would you recomend?(handgun content)

In reply to stroker:

Model ten for carry? My friend has one, and it seems a bit big for that.

Joey

i like my model 36 S&W with a bobbed hammer. Lets face it folks if you need it your not shooting all the way across a parking lot. Your probably within feet of the enemy . No need to get fancy just hit your target.

Glock Torture Test:

http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90

come to think of it never hear of Glock leg before. If I'm remembering my gunsmithing correctly it would be impossible for one to go off unless the safety in the center of the trigger was pushed down. Kinda hard to do in my opinion. I would be more apt to believe operator error and embarassment in that case.

f86sabjf wrote: come to think of it never hear of Glock leg before. If I'm remembering my gunsmithing correctly it would be impossible for one to go off unless the safety in the center of the trigger was pushed down. Kinda hard to do in my opinion. I would be more apt to believe operator error and embarassment in that case.

I had a friend shoot himself in the hand trying to clear a jam in one. To get the slide to work he had to have his finger on the trigger, as he tells it..

anyway.. He shot himself in the hand and things the trigger safety thing was to blame. I dunno, I wasn't there.

hmmm i guess your right I just would never picture not paying enough attention with a gun in my hand.

As far as a light trigger goes you are asking for trouble in a court of law imoa. No need to give a prosecuter a reason to paint you as a hot shot gunner to a jury. This could make you look like you were spoiling for a fight.

I like the Glock, but as an average shooter I'm not accurate with it. As you empty the clip, the balance gets way off for me. I can start with a tight pattern and then it gets squirrely. Again, I'm only an average marksman but I never wanted one.

I totally separate home protection and concealment guns. I use a Beretta Cougar .45 for home protection, but trying to conceal it is like taking Viagra with sweatpants... everyone will notice your bulge. I do have to think that it is pretty much tops for knock down power, but at 100 yards you could probably catch the ball with a baseball glove. Perfect for 0-25 yards which is what you'd encounter with home invasion.

I have a .25 Derringer that I could conceal easily if it weren't so valuable. I'm thinking about getting one to conceal, and I'm leaning strongly toward one of the compact .38s or 9mms - nothing flashy, cheap rounds, plenty of low-buck options.

curtis73 wrote: I have a .25 Derringer that I could conceal easily if it weren't so valuable.

.25 ACP Derringer? How many bad ideas can we put in one pistol?

There was a products liability case here in East Tennessee involving the discharge of a Glock in a police chase. Mr Glock himself came to the US to testify in the case. Very interesting and to hear it from him, any discharge with a Glock requires operator involvement. You do notice that all gun training now provides that you dont put your finger in the trigger guard until you are ready to shoot.

joey48442 wrote: In reply to stroker: Model ten for carry? My friend has one, and it seems a bit big for that. Joey

A K-frame 38? Hell, yes. At least, not one with a 6" bbl. A 2" or 3" bbl is no problem for a woman's purse or any guy of reasonable size.

stroker wrote:

joey48442 wrote: In reply to stroker: Model ten for carry? My friend has one, and it seems a bit big for that. Joey

A K-frame 38? Hell, yes. At least, not one with a 6" bbl. A 2" or 3" bbl is no problem for a woman's purse or any guy of reasonable size.

Yeah, my buddies has a long bbl. I guess a shorter one wouldnt be bad. Come to think of it, another friend has a small .38/.357 that he says is basically a lady smith with a different grip, is that a k frame?

Joey

joey48442 wrote:

stroker wrote:

joey48442 wrote: In reply to stroker: Model ten for carry? My friend has one, and it seems a bit big for that. Joey

A K-frame 38? Hell, yes. At least, not one with a 6" bbl. A 2" or 3" bbl is no problem for a woman's purse or any guy of reasonable size.

Yeah, my buddies has a long bbl. I guess a shorter one wouldnt be bad. Come to think of it, another friend has a small .38/.357 that he says is basically a lady smith with a different grip, is that a k frame? Joey

A K-frame has 6 shots (usually 38 Spl or 357 Magnum). A J-frame (one size smaller) will have 5 shots. The L-frame is similar to the K-frame in that it usually has six shots but is a slightly larger frame, similar to the Colt Python (thus the nickname "Smython"). The most common K frames might be the Models 10, 19 or 66. The most common J-frame might be the Model 60. The most common L-frame might be the 686 or 586. The N-frames are bigger than those, usually chambered in 44 or 45. I like my fixed-sight L-frame Model 581 best, but I'm a pretty big guy.

When I lived in Bryan, TX, a cop shot himself in the butt with a Glock. He had his finger in the trigger guard when he was putting it in a back holster or back pocket. Boom.

Glock leg was a serious problem when glocks first came on the scene, No one was used to the integrated safety in the trigger. Combine that with bad habits of putting your finger on the trigger as soon as it's available to do so, and lack of familiarization, and range time. You get a bunch of idiots shooting themselves.

Even before I went through academy training, I was taught and practiced, not putting your finger on the trigger till you were sure of your target. I recently had an accidental discharge with my FAL. Luckily I was outside, and nothing was in front of the barrel, came DAMN close to hitting my Boston Terrier, too close. 100% my fault, I hadn't shot it in almost a year, had forgotten which position was "Safe" on the selector, and instead of stopping and looking at the gun, I just put my finger on the trigger, it went boom. Scared the E36 M3 outta me, and the raccoon my Boston was facing down. (the FAL was closest to hand, when this happened)

Needless to say it was a sobering experience, my boston won't go anywhere near that gun now. ( can't blame him) I spent the next day cleaning the gun and refamililarizing myself with it. I consider myself a safety fanatic when it comes to guns, but that one time I didn't stop and think it could have ended VERY badly. Needless to say all parties involved decided it was time to go somewhere else. The raccoon hasn't been seen since, my boston hightailed it for the door and sat there, and I immediatly dropped the mag, and cycled the bolt to remove the round. HOLY CRAP I was scared. There is now a bolt gun in it's place near the door. While the big mag, and sudden appearance of an assault rifle is intimidating, the bolt gun is far more accurate, and I'm not worried about forgetting where the safety positions are with it.

^^^^^ We could probably start a whole thread on AD's...

At least I can admit where I screwed up. But yeah you're probably right with that one.

In reply to stroker: There is almost no such thing as an "accidental discharge", I prefer the term "negligent discharge".

4eyes wrote: In reply to stroker: There is almost no such thing as an "accidental discharge", I prefer the term "negligent discharge".

True, and I hope there aren't enough people here to start a thread on them...

1988RedT2 wrote: I vote 1911, but I'm not familiar with the Rock Island brand. I have a Colt 1991 Compact model that is very concealable. The recoil is heavy, but not sharp. I'd say it's more comfortable than the .357 as far as recoil.

^ This. Same pistol. It only "hurts" when you go with a crazy load (Corbon +P 1300fps .45ACP's, absolutely STUPID round). My second is a Rossi .38spl, 5-shot based off the old smith J-frame with the rubber grips. It's actually harder for me to conceal due to the larger grips. But it shoots very well and there's no need to worry about the "complexities" of a 1911.

If you are going to carry it every day, I'd recommend the Glock, followed very closely by the XD. I own several Glocks, and had never had one fail to go "bang" when I've pulled the trigger. I only own one XD-M .40, but have had that issue a couple times with it. It's still a great pistol, but that's just been my experience.

My G30 goes everywhere with me, it's the one I would rely on if the SHTF.

Also, Glock leg is easily remedied by not carrying the pistol with a round in the chamber. Just saying.

4eyes wrote: In reply to stroker: There is almost no such thing as an "accidental discharge", I prefer the term "negligent discharge".

Point taken. Used the term out of habit.

I carry a Springfield Armory micro-compact 3" 1911 .45 everywhere I go. http://tinyurl.com/368p7xt Other than a few times where the slide has stuck partly open because it was excessively dirty (300 rounds or so without cleaning), it's been a reliable weapon and has never jammed or failed to fire.

It has a bit of a kick but not terrible, and it makes a loud BOOM which I find much more gratifying than the little pap, pap, pap, of a 9mm. ;)

My first concealed carry weapon was a Bersa .380 that was prone to all manner of asshattery (slide would lock open, the feed ramp didn't, and it was not exactly accurate or reliable.) The boyfriend at the time thought the .45 would be too harsh for me, but I can do about 120 rounds before my shoulder starts to ache a bit.

Tifosi2k2 wrote:

f86sabjf wrote: As far as a light trigger goes you are asking for trouble in a court of law imoa. No need to give a prosecuter a reason to paint you as a hot shot gunner to a jury. This could make you look like you were spoiling for a fight.

Not really a legal issue as it comes from the factory that way. From what I have read (not personal experience) Glock factory trigger is approx. 5 - 5.5 lbs of pull vs. 6.5-7 lbs for the S&W M&P's and 12-14 lbs for some double action revolvers. It is just lighter from the factory than most guns.

5 5.5lbs is a ton of weight to pull especially considering how gritty the usaully are but i can understand your viewpoint with the comparison your seeing.