Noem launched her new anti-meth campaign on Monday to bring awareness to the meth epidemic in South Dakota that will include a new TV ad, billboards, posters and website. The campaign's motto features the phrase, "Meth. We're on it," over an outline of South Dakota, and the ad and posters feature people of differing in ages and races saying, "I'm on meth."
That's methed up.
So the governor is dealing??
It has people talking about it across the country. So as an ad, maybe it is working?
Lucky us.
Lof8 - Andy said:That's methed up.
In reply to Wally :
Meth addiction really is becoming a serious issue especially ( but not exclusively ) in rural areas. Seems to ruin a lot of good people who maybe started using to get a little more work done. Working a second or even third job to pay the bills.
frenchyd said:In reply to Wally :
Meth addiction really is becoming a serious issue especially in rural areas. Seems to ruin a lot of good people who maybe started using to get a little more work done. Working a second or even third job to pay the bills.
kinda makes sense not that I'd know. It's a big problem with gay guys here in DC or at least was about a decade ago.
BTW. Noem is one hot governor. 
In reply to nutherjrfan :
What scares me is the ease it can be bought. Truck stops and neighborhoods, even good neighborhoods aren't immune to it.
Doesn't take much to be addicted either. Unlike a some recreational drugs it's not one you can try and if you don't like it, just not use it again.
some first time users get addicted.
I sent that to my stepkid who lives near Bismarck, saying I was waiting for north dakota's respose in 3,2,1... and she came back with
"We take no responsibility for South Dakota, we're two different states for a reason."
mtn said:It has people talking about it across the country. So as an ad, maybe it is working?
Exactly this.
In reply to Brett_Murphy :
What I like is a politician who instead of going for points with the "lock-em-up!" Crowd Looks at the cost benefit of alternative programs.
Yes its's the easy button to put them in jail but the cost of jailing addicts is just the tip of the iceberg. lawyers, courts, etc etc etc
Drugs are available in jail too. And the health costs of addicts become the tax payers problem in Jail.
Not to mention there are some functioning addicts who are tax payers and contributing to society.
So far America has been losing in the war on drugs. I'm glad someone is trying something else.
Just watch out for Meth 2.0 going around. It's way worse than the original apparently.
You win 3 internets for the thread title. I thought my brother and i were the only ones that knew that reference anymore.
Brett_Murphy said:mtn said:It has people talking about it across the country. So as an ad, maybe it is working?
Exactly this.
But for how long? The problem with actively going for viral marketing is how short the memory span of the average ad consumer is.
It's big news NOW, everybody is talking about it NOW, maybe some legislation will get started or donations at shelters will spike. By next week? This will be a distant memory to pretty much everyone outside the state.
In reply to RevRico :
Exactly. How many people still remember their safe driving campaign? http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/12/south-dakota-yanks-dont-jerk-drive-campaign.html?fbclid=IwAR0XJSqeHV_PQ8gMLoB_2fqGZGWf5_9hSLE7oBCSR1bWAk_o2TG3WgIgScI
frenchyd said:In reply to Brett_Murphy :
What I like is a politician who instead of going for points with the "lock-em-up!" Crowd Looks at the cost benefit of alternative programs.
Yes its's the easy button to put them in jail but the cost of jailing addicts is just the tip of the iceberg. lawyers, courts, etc etc etcDrugs are available in jail too. And the health costs of addicts become the tax payers problem in Jail.
Not to mention there are some functioning addicts who are tax payers and contributing to society.So far America has been losing in the war on drugs. I'm glad someone is trying something else.
They could do what CA is doing, just let them descend into a horrible specter of what they once where and have them wander the streets like some zombie apocalypse occasionally bursting out with random acts of crime or violence. Certainly don’t attribute any blame on them for their situation, after all, they are just victims of...
The “lock em up” method does have some merit though. Many don’t want help, so offering programs has little effect on them. Locking them up at least adds some motivation for the to enter programs to avoid extended stays. I should note that CA has effectively eliminated the “lock em up” option, you might want to visit and see how that is going....
...it should be noted, as with many “ideas” they seem to have forgotten to actually setup the alternative programs required or, you know, have any data or trial programs that show or would actually be effective. Also of note is that heroin seems to be a prime option out here.
RevRico said:It's big news NOW, everybody is talking about it NOW, maybe some legislation will get started or donations at shelters will spike. By next week? This will be a distant memory to pretty much everyone outside the state.
Considering it is a state program, that'd still be working pretty well.
nutherjrfan saidBTW. Noem is one hot governor.
had to look her up. Not bad. Palin was better
Brett_Murphy said:mtn said:It has people talking about it across the country. So as an ad, maybe it is working?
Exactly this.
Yup. Were talking about it. Seems like money well spent.
RevRico said:Brett_Murphy said:mtn said:It has people talking about it across the country. So as an ad, maybe it is working?
Exactly this.
But for how long? The problem with actively going for viral marketing is how short the memory span of the average ad consumer is.
It's big news NOW, everybody is talking about it NOW, maybe some legislation will get started or donations at shelters will spike. By next week? This will be a distant memory to pretty much everyone outside the state.
The point of marketing is to get you to pay attention for a brief period of time. Its doing exactly what it's supposed to do. H
aircooled said:frenchyd said:In reply to Brett_Murphy :
What I like is a politician who instead of going for points with the "lock-em-up!" Crowd Looks at the cost benefit of alternative programs.
Yes its's the easy button to put them in jail but the cost of jailing addicts is just the tip of the iceberg. lawyers, courts, etc etc etcDrugs are available in jail too. And the health costs of addicts become the tax payers problem in Jail.
Not to mention there are some functioning addicts who are tax payers and contributing to society.So far America has been losing in the war on drugs. I'm glad someone is trying something else.
They could do what CA is doing, just let them descend into a horrible specter of what they once where and have them wander the streets like some zombie apocalypse occasionally bursting out with random acts of crime or violence. Certainly don’t attribute any blame on them for their situation, after all, they are just victims of...
The “lock em up” method does have some merit though. Many don’t want help, so offering programs has little effect on them. Locking them up at least adds some motivation for the to enter programs to avoid extended stays. I should note that CA has effectively eliminated the “lock em up” option, you might want to visit and see how that is going....
...it should be noted, as with many “ideas” they seem to have forgotten to actually setup the alternative programs required or, you know, have any data or trial programs that show or would actually be effective. Also of note is that heroin seems to be a prime option out here.
Have you priced what it costs to "lock-em-up"?
Most supplied numbers don't include everything. Plus every state differs on actual costs etc.
Here in Minnesota for example they say a years stay in public prison is a little over $27,000 a year. But that does not include medical, dental or other required services, plus it varies depending on occupation rates. $27,000 is sort of the lowest cost with the highest density. The cost of guards, energy, and maintenance is pretty well fixed. If the prison is filled or nearly empty.
Add all the medical costs, legal costs, Dental etc. the numbers jump to over $50,000.
For profit prisons are a complex calculation depending on the political winds. In general they are slightly cheaper, but recidivism rates are higher. Plus, There is the whole issue of locking people up so other people can make a profit issue. Lightly occupied prisons do not return a profit.
Do nothing? Not an answer. Lock -em-up? Not an answer. House arrest?
Hah! $27,000 a year. In CA, we do everything "better". Last I heard it was around $80,000 a year here! (might include costs of "benefits"). You also have to consider the other side and the cost of them in public such as law enforcement, medical, criminal activity and of course crimes and violence visited on the innocent public (generally not a dollar figure of course).
Certainly not saying traditional prisons are any kind of total solution, but eliminating them in the process without a viable option is a pretty bad idea (in the least, as noted, it supplies some sort of motivation). Of note, from what I have read, treatment programs for meth are generally very ineffective. I am sure that will in no way stop massive amounts of money being thrown at programs that have no known viability.
The program mentioned in the OP is of course just an awareness campaign. Not sure how much awareness is actually needed (I suspect most who are in anyway affected are well aware). What is really need is some sort of actual, at least partially, effective solution. "Just say no" has some minor effect, but I think is well proven to be mostly ineffective.
At some point, as with traditional criminals, there really is a point where removal from society is the best option for everyone involved based on the options currently available / allowed. Doesn't mean you can't / shouldn't try to treat them though.
As with most things, the true answer likely lies somewhere in between...
In reply to aircooled :
Junk the car or fix the beater? Some will go through hell to keep an old rotted out Caravan running. Others will immediately get rid of a new BMW at the first sign of trouble. Somewhere in the middle is the answer.
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