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Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter)
Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) Dork
2/14/22 7:33 p.m.

China managed to put on an impressive Winter Olympics in the middle of a pandemic that started there when nobody else wanted to. China is buying up car factories in Brazil that American and European car companies can't seem to operate successfully. China is developing hypersonic missiles that are a threat to our strategic defense systems. China builds bullet trains while our efforts to build the same end up in boondoggles where we have to buy the trains from foreign countries and haggle with private land owners over easements. 

We better stop bragging and start looking over our shoulder as to what's going on in the rest of the world.

 

Duke
Duke MegaDork
2/14/22 8:22 p.m.

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

I'm pretty sure Mussolini was very successful at improving the Italian train system.

That does not make him a constructive role model.

The same could be said of the Chinese government.

 

logdog (Forum Supporter)
logdog (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UberDork
2/14/22 9:21 p.m.

Today Im angry because the Popeyes next to my hotel was out of iced tea. Or does that go in the rant thread....

Boost_Crazy
Boost_Crazy Dork
2/14/22 11:07 p.m.

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

China managed to put on an impressive Winter Olympics in the middle of a pandemic that started there when nobody else wanted to. China is buying up car factories in Brazil that American and European car companies can't seem to operate successfully. China is developing hypersonic missiles that are a threat to our strategic defense systems. China builds bullet trains while our efforts to build the same end up in boondoggles where we have to buy the trains from foreign countries and haggle with private land owners over easements. 

We better stop bragging and start looking over our shoulder as to what's going on in the rest of the world.
 

Well, that's an interesting take on things. 
 

Edit- just some food for thought. This whole conversation would not be taking place if we were in China, because we would not be allowed to have this conversation. Everyone in this thread would be getting knocks at our doors, and it wouldn't be to give us tickets to the Olympics. We might get a train ride though. 

Wally (Forum Supporter)
Wally (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/15/22 5:09 a.m.
Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

China managed to put on an impressive Winter Olympics in the middle of a pandemic that started there when nobody else wanted to. China is buying up car factories in Brazil that American and European car companies can't seem to operate successfully. China is developing hypersonic missiles that are a threat to our strategic defense systems. China builds bullet trains while our efforts to build the same end up in boondoggles where we have to buy the trains from foreign countries and haggle with private land owners over easements. 

We better stop bragging and start looking over our shoulder as to what's going on in the rest of the world.

 

There are a number of reasons we don't have high speed rail.  Free speech and private property rights are both pretty far down on the list of whys, and neither are worth trading away.  

hybridmomentspass
hybridmomentspass HalfDork
2/15/22 5:54 a.m.

Im doing so much better at not being angry

Just yesterday, for example, had a student mouth off to me and I just kept my cool.

Man, I dont want to be angry and full of hate.

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter)
Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) Dork
2/15/22 7:09 a.m.
Duke said:

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

I'm pretty sure Mussolini was very successful at improving the Italian train system.

That does not make him a constructive role model.

The same could be said of the Chinese government.

 

If Hitler's scientists had gotten the bomb first, our world would be quite different, as would the definition of constructive role models. Better to not let that happen.

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter)
Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) Dork
2/15/22 7:23 a.m.
Wally (Forum Supporter) said:
Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

China managed to put on an impressive Winter Olympics in the middle of a pandemic that started there when nobody else wanted to. China is buying up car factories in Brazil that American and European car companies can't seem to operate successfully. China is developing hypersonic missiles that are a threat to our strategic defense systems. China builds bullet trains while our efforts to build the same end up in boondoggles where we have to buy the trains from foreign countries and haggle with private land owners over easements. 

We better stop bragging and start looking over our shoulder as to what's going on in the rest of the world.

 

There are a number of reasons we don't have high speed rail.  Free speech and private property rights are both pretty far down on the list of whys, and neither are worth trading away.  

Here in Texas property rights are a big deal. It's another political urban vs. rural battle where the rurals don't see any benefit in being able to move quickly between Dallas and Houston. This is also being done with private money which changes the game.

Duke
Duke MegaDork
2/15/22 7:36 a.m.

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

A) Re: Hitler - I don't get your point?  You're saying that China gets things done and the US doesn't. I say Mussolini got things done also, but at similar cost to the Chinese in loss of freedom to the populace. And then you mention Hitler in a way that is not clear about your feelings on the matter of fascism.

B) Re: high speed rail. If Texas doesn't want high speed rail, and it's a coasts-vs-flyover, city-vs-country thing, why is California's high-speed rail construction program such a berking nightmare?  Maybe high-speed rail is just a bad idea in a country the size and population density of the US.

[edit] Actually, never mind. I don't really get your points anyway and you clearly don't need me increasing your aggravation levels. Forget it.

 

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter)
Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) Dork
2/15/22 7:53 a.m.
Boost_Crazy said:

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

China managed to put on an impressive Winter Olympics in the middle of a pandemic that started there when nobody else wanted to. China is buying up car factories in Brazil that American and European car companies can't seem to operate successfully. China is developing hypersonic missiles that are a threat to our strategic defense systems. China builds bullet trains while our efforts to build the same end up in boondoggles where we have to buy the trains from foreign countries and haggle with private land owners over easements. 

We better stop bragging and start looking over our shoulder as to what's going on in the rest of the world.
 

Well, that's an interesting take on things. 
 

Edit- just some food for thought. This whole conversation would not be taking place if we were in China, because we would not be allowed to have this conversation. Everyone in this thread would be getting knocks at our doors, and it wouldn't be to give us tickets to the Olympics. We might get a train ride though. 

Freedom of speech? Yes. You can write letters to the editor, speak at the city council meetings and yap endlessly on web forums that nobody reads. But the people who matter can hire lobbyists, buy air time on TV and radio and place lots of pop up ads on Facebook and Google. They don't have to knock on doors and lock people up. That would be wasted effort. Our system is much more efficient.

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter)
Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) Dork
2/15/22 7:59 a.m.
Duke said:

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

A) Re: Hitler - I don't get your point?  You're saying that China gets things done and the US doesn't. I say Mussolini got things done also, but at similar cost to the Chinese in loss of freedom to the populace. And then you mention Hitler in a way that is not clear about your feelings on the matter of fascism.

B) Re: high speed rail. If Texas doesn't want high speed rail, and it's a coasts-vs-flyover, city-vs-country thing, why I'd California's high-speed rail construction program such a berking nightmare?  Maybe high-speed rail is just a bad idea in a country the size and population density of the US.

[edit] Actually, never mind. I don't really get your points anyway and you clearly don't need me increasing your aggravation levels. Forget it.

 

Let me explain it to you simply. If Hitler had gotten nukes before the US we might have lost World War II and we would all be speaking German now. How is your Mandarin Chinese?

wae
wae PowerDork
2/15/22 8:52 a.m.

I've been watching this and trying to figure out a response.  I've typed up a couple things, but I was never happy with it and some editing wasn't going to fix it.  Maybe this one will also get condemmed to the bit bucket by way of the back button in Firefox.

 

My answer to the original question is that I'm not, and I'm really sorry if you are.  There are certainly things that are worth being angry about, but those things should be super important, they should be things that are within your power to change, and it should be a short-term project.  Otherwise, you're just driving yourself to an early grave via a route that isn't particularly pleasant.

The company I work for is a really great place for me and on the net, I really enjoy working there.  But we're not without our idiosyncrasies and, frankly, we do a lot of dumb stuff that can be really frustrating at times.  There are days where it seems like we succeed in spite of ourselves, you know?  Having been here for twenty years, I've seen a lot of people come in and see the madness and announce that they're here to fix that thing and they're going to make it all better.  So I came up with this theory that working for this company is sort of like the stages of grief. 

First you deny it:  Things can't really be this effed up at a billion-dollar company, right?  Surely we don't actually do things that way. 

Next you get really mad about it:  How can you idiots not see how effed up things are!?  Why doesn't anybody do anything about it.

From there you move in to negotiation:  You'll try to convince people that things would be better if they did it your way and you'll write up business cases and all sorts of creative excrement that, frankly, everyone will say "yeah, you're right.  We should do that" as they're tossing it into the circular filing cabinet.

This next stage is where the short-timers exit the bus:  You get all down and try to figure out what you were thinking taking a job at some penny-ante, second-rate outfit that is populated entirely by dipE36 M3s.

And finally, if you stick through all of that, your reward:  Acceptance.  You know that things are stupid, but it's our stupid.  It's how it works.  It doesn't surprise you anymore.  Sometimes, there's a small opportunity to make things better on the margins and you do that.  Over geological timeframes, those marginal changes will add up to something, but you're not going to boil the ocean.  You realize that the quirks and stupid stuff are all closely related to the really nice stuff about working here.  You just can't have one without the other.  When you hit a wall because of our institutional foibles and can't get something done that seems to make a lot of sense you no longer get upset about it, you just realize that it's the way things are.  Once you reach that stage you discover how you can maneuver within that system to make a pretty decent living and keep your stress level down and have a decently long career while also getting our customers what they need and want.

I guess that's a loquacious version of the old prayer: Grant me the strength to change the things I can change, the serenity to handle the things I can't change, and the wisdom to know the difference.  That's pretty much how I try to approach life.  There's so much going on out there that I can't do a thing about, there's no reason to let it eat away at my life.  Inflation?  Yep, but all I can do is make sure I arrange my finances so that I can make it through.  Pandemic?  Sure, just do what I can to balance safety with living my life.  Lewis gets a bad call from Masi and doesn't win the WDC?  Well, when they put me in charge of Libery Media or the FIA I'll look in to that.  My daughter isn't doing well in Geometry? Ah!  There's something I can take action on and produce a measurable result!  Dogs made muddy footprints all over the tile?  Mop time!  The world just needs a little more kindess? How about some volunteering to make a couple folks' day just a little bit brighter?

Just choose where you're going to spend your energy.  You can yell at the tide to go back all day but the only one you're going to affect is yourself and it won't make you any better.  Despite what the Internet and the cable news folks try to sell you, the world is a really big place and you're just a tiny little part of a tiny little part of it.  You're going to get pissed off from time to time.  You're going to see things that are unfair and life isn't going to be going your way.  But don't let it consume you.

So, yeah.  I'm not angry.  I'm not disappointed.  I'm not any of that stuff.  I'm just hopeful and just trying to live my best life and I really hope you can too!  (live your own best life, I mean.  I don't need you trying to live my own best life for me.  You might do it better that I can, and frankly, I just don't want the competition!)

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
2/15/22 9:06 a.m.

Have you people learned nossink?

Ixnay on the itlerhay!

Ian F (Forum Supporter)
Ian F (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
2/15/22 9:09 a.m.

In reply to wae :

Yeah, that's a good way to look at things.

Unfortunately, all of my hope is gone.

Nick Comstock
Nick Comstock MegaDork
2/15/22 9:24 a.m.

In reply to wae :

You must work at a very similar company to mine. 

Mr. Peabody
Mr. Peabody MegaDork
2/15/22 9:26 a.m.
Nick Comstock said:

In reply to wae :

You must work at a very similar company to mine. 

We all work there to varying degrees

wae
wae PowerDork
2/15/22 9:31 a.m.
Mr. Peabody said:
Nick Comstock said:

In reply to wae :

You must work at a very similar company to mine. 

We all work there to varying degrees

When I was a kid, I was really impressed by how the grownups had the whole world put together so well.  Governments, big companies, all that stuff just was all so well organized and planned out.  Then when I was a grownup, I realized the whole world is pretty much held together with duct tape, balanced precariously on the edge, and kept from crashing to the ground by basically dumb luck and good intentions.  What really sealed it for me was at Mandela's funeral when they had the literal crazy guy standing next to all the world's leaders because he told them he was a sign language interpreter.  We lucked out that he was pretty much just harmless crazy instead of the stabby kind of crazy.

GIRTHQUAKE
GIRTHQUAKE Dork
2/15/22 10:06 a.m.

In reply to wae :

Ha, for that reason alone every person I know in healthcare regardless of ideology is firmly in the "Mental health in this nation is a travesty" camp.

People who talk about authoritarian nations like the Asian sphere or everyone's favorite video game enemy always point out the "But they get things done" argument, without asking if they ever do something well. The youtube channel Polymatter has some excellent essays on China and it's spent future- I actually have a friend in Shenzen who's studying english to leave the nation, and even though the phrase "Western imperialst" comes into our discord a few times he's very open about China's very real problems he sees all the time.

Anyway, back to why everyone's pissy all the time- have we gone over the role social media plays? Because when I did political canvassing, every time I had my life threatened it was always by someone I can tell spends all their time on facebook. Crap's so pervasive, I'm so glad my generation is tossing that E36 M3 in the dumpster. berkeley YOU TWITTER, YOU'RE NEXT

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
2/15/22 10:14 a.m.

In reply to wae :

That's funny what you said about your company. A previous company I worked for, a great bunch of people and quality stuff, so I don't want to drag their name through the mud. But in the engineering department we used to have a running joke. 

"There's the right way, the wrong way, and the "X" way."

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
2/15/22 10:15 a.m.
Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:
Duke said:

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

A) Re: Hitler - I don't get your point?  You're saying that China gets things done and the US doesn't. I say Mussolini got things done also, but at similar cost to the Chinese in loss of freedom to the populace. And then you mention Hitler in a way that is not clear about your feelings on the matter of fascism.

B) Re: high speed rail. If Texas doesn't want high speed rail, and it's a coasts-vs-flyover, city-vs-country thing, why I'd California's high-speed rail construction program such a berking nightmare?  Maybe high-speed rail is just a bad idea in a country the size and population density of the US.

[edit] Actually, never mind. I don't really get your points anyway and you clearly don't need me increasing your aggravation levels. Forget it.

 

Let me explain it to you simply. If Hitler had gotten nukes before the US we might have lost World War II and we would all be speaking German now. How is your Mandarin Chinese?

Some people say cucumbers taste better pickled. 

93EXCivic
93EXCivic MegaDork
2/15/22 10:37 a.m.

In reply to wae :

So well said.

93EXCivic
93EXCivic MegaDork
2/15/22 10:38 a.m.
z31maniac said:
Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:
Duke said:

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

A) Re: Hitler - I don't get your point?  You're saying that China gets things done and the US doesn't. I say Mussolini got things done also, but at similar cost to the Chinese in loss of freedom to the populace. And then you mention Hitler in a way that is not clear about your feelings on the matter of fascism.

B) Re: high speed rail. If Texas doesn't want high speed rail, and it's a coasts-vs-flyover, city-vs-country thing, why I'd California's high-speed rail construction program such a berking nightmare?  Maybe high-speed rail is just a bad idea in a country the size and population density of the US.

[edit] Actually, never mind. I don't really get your points anyway and you clearly don't need me increasing your aggravation levels. Forget it.

 

Let me explain it to you simply. If Hitler had gotten nukes before the US we might have lost World War II and we would all be speaking German now. How is your Mandarin Chinese?

Some people say cucumbers taste better pickled. 

RX Reven'
RX Reven' GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
2/15/22 11:22 a.m.
Duke said:

why is California's high-speed rail construction program such a berking nightmare?

 

If only this were a reality we'd have no need for a high speed rail...

Twice the cost at a quarter the speed compared to flying SWA just so politician's can have something to get richer from by picking winners and losers; Awesome! 

Added later:  I think our current situation is that we know it won't work but if we cancel the project we'll need to return money to the federal government so we keep pretending that we're moving forward.  I'm not an expert on this so maybe someone who knows more can chime in. 

93EXCivic
93EXCivic MegaDork
2/15/22 11:40 a.m.

In reply to RX Reven' :

There are a number of reasons I'd prefer high speed rail over flying.

RX Reven'
RX Reven' GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
2/15/22 11:58 a.m.
93EXCivic said:

In reply to RX Reven' :

There are a number of reasons I'd prefer high speed rail over flying.

Interesting, what do you see as the advantages?

I assume there'll be the same TSA requirements adding time to the trip and limiting what you can carry and I doubt you'll be given much more room but maybe I'm wrong.  Also, I see it as being less safe as it's a lot easier to derail a train than to take down a commercial jet. 

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