Dealers do this every time you trade in a car and buy a new one. They insult the crap out of your trade, give you pennies for it, and we drive away and leave a 5-star review. It's just a sales tactic. I've done it before. Not as jerkface-y as that jerkface, but I will be candid and say something like "I understand you just listed it, but I think you'll find few takers at that price. My offer is $xxx, call me if you get to that point. If not, best of luck. It's a nice car."
They're hoping that the person on the other end (you) is a fragile doofus who will fall for it and take whatever they offer.... kinda like 90% of people do when they trade in a car at a dealer.
It's a shame I have already decided that my next car will be electric, because I love Porsches in "doom blue"
Brett_Murphy (Agent of Chaos) said:
But KBB values are always correct, no matter what!
And they are in no way ever influenced by people cheating taxes by reporting a $5000 car as $2000!
Whenever I get messages like this, I adjust the price. I simply reply new price is $12,500. When they ask why, I tell them it's $10,500 for the car, and $2,000 because I have to deal with you. That usually stops them cold.
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) said:
Dealers do this every time you trade in a car and buy a new one. They insult the crap out of your trade, give you pennies for it, and we drive away and leave a 5-star review. It's just a sales tactic. I've done it before. Not as jerkface-y as that jerkface, but I will be candid and say something like "I understand you just listed it, but I think you'll find few takers at that price. My offer is $xxx, call me if you get to that point. If not, best of luck. It's a nice car."
They're hoping that the person on the other end (you) is a fragile doofus who will fall for it and take whatever they offer.... kinda like 90% of people do when they trade in a car at a dealer.
I do the same to dealers. I tell them, "I drove here, I can drive home. When you want to make a sale, you have my info."
In reply to bobzilla :
I mean, I know the price is high, I priced it that way on purpose because I wasn't in a hurry and wanted room to negotiate down. The person in that picture literally just shot me that message and then immediately left the group chat. I respond to every message in a friendly and cheerful manner, but I can't kill em with kindness if they make a drive-by comment and then disappear :P
But yes, it's about time to drop the price of the ad once again.
I list stuff at 10% above what I want and hopefully it's somewhere near what people are willing to pay. That generally works for me.
Beauty shots on the Facebook post and detailed pictures in a google photos album helps. I share it as soon as someone asks the first obvious question. Otherwise, the listing just shows a nice car at a glance. Then I can point to a slightly below market price as the reason the car has some flaws. On the other hand, I have never sold a Porsche.
I don't know why people have such trouble selling cars on FB. I've bought and sold LOTS of cars on FBM. I get low ballers, sure. I just ignore them or tell them 'that is a very generous down payment, but I dont offer financing'
I price my car for a fair price, no games about listing it well above market then coming down. As a buyer that's annoying, as a seller it's a mistake. Once you list a car for 140% of the market price serious buyers know you're not a serious seller and they'll pass on the car. Next time they see the car they'll recognize the picture and move on. Or they don't want to play games any more than you do.
Think about it, asking 140% of market price is the seller-version of low-balling. It's annoying to the serious buyer.
I'm not trying to insult you, just telling you how it looks from the other side of the fence.
calteg
SuperDork
6/21/23 9:36 a.m.
I think it's a combination of listing on FB + trying to sell a Boxster.
I sold mine about a decade ago and the amount of tire kickers/time wasters was atrocious. I had two different folks come out, test drive and then decide not to buy it because "I don't like the color of the top." The top was grey and there were about 30 photos of it online. I swore off p-cars after that experience
AMiataCalledSteve said:
I know I have the car priced high, I've just been dropping the price some every few weeks to see if someone will bite.
When you use a strategy like this you should not be surprised when you get some pushback. People are just as free to criticize your price as you are to set it.
Don't want that? Price it fairly to begin with and it will have likely sold already.
EDIT: Didn't see Dr Boost's post. I agree 100%
In reply to spandak :
People don't know how to negotiate any more. I've sold 3 items on Craigslist at asking and they never ask for a better price.
Sometimes I see cars listed at $10,500 and you know the plan is to negotiate down to $10,000.
docwyte
PowerDork
6/21/23 9:49 a.m.
Typically I list $500 higher than what I want. Even if it's a fair price, people still want a little off to make them feel good. If an item is over priced, I don't even bother to respond as it's unlikely that the seller will let it go for what I feel is a reasonable amount
Datsun310Guy said:
In reply to spandak :
People don't know how to negotiate any more. I've sold 3 items on Craigslist at asking and they never ask for a better price.
Sometimes I see cars listed at $10,500 and you know the plan is to negotiate down to $10,000.
I hate negotiating. Give me the price you want and I will pay it.
People love to argue just to argue, especially behind a computer. When I was selling my 4.8 swapped z31 I had at least 2 people message me asking why I was calling the 4.8 a LS when it's a truck engine (I think the post title was '1987 300zx LS swapped' but in the post made it very clear it was a 4.8 so it wasn't like I was hiding that fact). After they got done ranting at me how I was in the wrong I would simply ask them which part of a 'real' LS engine wouldn't bolt to my 4.8 truck engine, they typically didn't have a response after that.
They didn't have any intention on even trying to use that argument to try to talk down the price, they just wanted to tell me how wrong I was
2k for a paint job? Evidently that guy hasn't price paint and supplies lately(forget about labor) Anyway, its the usual social media disease. Its easy to make comments from behind a computer. For the record, the price sounds fair to me. Maybe people who do this think they are going to scare the seller into a lowball price? I don't know....I do know that there are plenty of ridiculously priced listings on FB marketplace though. The other day I say some 1966 Mustang fastback side vents(upper quarter vents, whatever) listed for $1800!! Why? Because presumably they came off a Shelby GT350(even though the part number is the exact same as the regular fastback). Nearly $2000 for some vents...I admit I was tempted to say something in respoinse to that ad.
In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :
That never happens, since it is dishonest.
In response to that, here in NC, the DMV doesn't give a E36 M3 what you paid for the car, they're going to charge you taxes on what they think the car is worth.
stay strong. I had a 2010 Miata for sale. Put it up for $17,500 (what I bought it for 8 years ago). Had tons of E36 M3 comments everywhere I listed it. I ignored them and so did the guy who bought it for $15,500 two months ago.
I'm currently selling an insurance write off parts car with no title. Not a salvage title no title. It says no title parts only in three places in the ad, and across the top of the main picture.
A guy sent me an email saying "I won't buy it without a title."
Great. I guess we're done here.
After three weeks if people hounding me about if they can get a title, I've decided to donate it to NW Rescue. It's going to be their new burn training car.
No amount of money is worth dealing with people.
ddavidv
UltimaDork
6/23/23 7:19 a.m.
I have a friend who buys LOTS of cars (I think he has an illness, like many people on here). He always lowballs, because he plays the law of averages. Every now and again, he will find someone desperate to sell that will take his silly offer.
Me, I just don't answer lowball offers.
I did once message a guy and said I'd be interested when he had a "less ambitious price" because he was asking truly stupid money for the car. He did eventually offer it to me for a proper price, some weeks later.
I've also found that less is more when writing ad text. I just touch on the highlights, and don't go into detail about every flaw. I've also learned to shut up when people are actually there looking at the car. They usually don't listen to what I'm telling them anyway. Either they want it, or they don't. My blabbering doesn't affect the outcome either way.
johndej
SuperDork
6/23/23 9:03 a.m.
Lol, wait till you sell a miata hardtop, listed for $2,700 because what the hell, had 2 pics of it off the car (main one was off the car), had 2 pics of it on the car. The ad stated just the hardtop, no car and it was sold. You wouldn't believe the number of folks who messaged if it ran and drove, what transmission, clean title, etc.
calteg
SuperDork
6/23/23 9:12 a.m.
In reply to johndej :
Half of those were bots trying to harvest your email address
ddavidv said:
I've also found that less is more when writing ad text. I just touch on the highlights, and don't go into detail about every flaw. I've also learned to shut up when people are actually there looking at the car. They usually don't listen to what I'm telling them anyway. Either they want it, or they don't. My blabbering doesn't affect the outcome either way.
When selling something cheap, I prefer to list everything I know is wrong. I like to think this filters people out before they bug me and reduces the chance that I deal with b*tching later. Your approach probably maximizes selling prices though.
johndej
SuperDork
6/23/23 11:33 a.m.
In reply to calteg :
This was on Facebook marketplace and I always checked their info, many had full complete profiles with a family updates and such, if they were bots it was a very elaborate multi year effort. - just didn't even read.
Datsun310Guy said:
In reply to spandak :
People don't know how to negotiate any more. I've sold 3 items on Craigslist at asking and they never ask for a better price.
Sometimes I see cars listed at $10,500 and you know the plan is to negotiate down to $10,000.
I don't get the whole want to negotiate thing. Just price the thing for what you want to sell it for and we don't both have to go back and forth on price.