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Rusty_Rabbit84
Rusty_Rabbit84 HalfDork
7/6/09 12:14 p.m.

Men still have trouble getting used to Stacy Tucker, a former suspension engineer at General Motors who owns a custom hot rod car shop in North Carolina with her husband, Kyle. She beat most of the male variety in the autocross competition Saturday at LP Field, where she raced around a 1,000-foot tightly curved track in her 1969 blue Camaro as part of the Goodguys fourth annual Nashville Nationals Car Show. Her time: 45 seconds on a 55-second track.

In an age when most industries saw the gender barrier breached years ago, women who fix cars and race them still find themselves a bit of an oddity.

"It's still an old boys' club,'' said the 38-year-old Tucker.

This weekend, as she cruised up to the race gate with her souped-up engine making its deep huffing sounds, several people peered in at her and said: "There's a girl in there."

Sometimes, when she answers the phone at her business, Detroit Speed and Engineering in Mooresville, N.C., people will insist on speaking to someone who can answer a technical question, assuming that she can't.

But Tucker gave up arguing with them and usually just hands the phone to a man.

"For the sake of the business, I've learned to turn the phone over,'' she said. "I guess they're embarrassed to talk to a girl."

Women have won racing events for decades, but they still draw attention in ways that men don't. Take top drag car racer 26-year-old Ashley Force Hood, who in 2008 became the first woman to win the NHRA Funny Car races.

"She's very beautiful and she's very good,'' said Wendell Marlowe, a 53-year-old from Mt. Juliet who went to the show at LP Field on Saturday and watched the autocross competition. "Women have proven they can be competitive."

Two other men watching the event mused about why men seem to love cars more than women do.

"Women grew up with dolls,'' said Rod Socha, a 61-year-old from Eddyville, Ky. "It's not part of their mentality."

Greg C. Lewis of Waverly, Tenn., sees it differently.

He said men used to take their girlfriends to car shows to show them off as "eye candy."

"They would hold up the flags,'' Lewis said. "The girls said, 'We're tired of being your eye candy.' They're starting to go out and buy their own cars. They've built their own cars and they do their own maintenance."

His friend Brenda Griggs, who raced at the autocross competition Saturday, owns a 1967 Pontiac Firebird, a shiny black car with leather seats.

She got so tired of men assuming she was driving her husband's car that she bought a personalized plate for the front bumper that says: "Her Bird."

When asked, her husband says he owns the "rat rod," a truck he put together from parts from a Ford, a Chevy and a Pontiac.

While his wife has turned down offers of $25,000 for her Firebird, her husband, Greg, says he put about $2,500 into his truck.

Another woman who never ceases to surprise the opposite sex is Carmen Levise, a 21-year-old who says she was one of just a handful of female students at Nashville Auto-Diesel College. She graduated in 2007 and dreams opening an auto shop.

She said a lot of women are not mechanics because "their husbands or boyfriends said no, absolutely not."

Levise recently married an auto mechanic and they own seven classic cars and a truck. She said she didn't have a dad or brother who dragged her to auto shows or races as a child.

Instead, she decided automobiles interested her more than art, her other passion.

"You have to have a tough shell,'' said Levise, who works in paint sales for NAPA Auto Parts.

"Guys stare at you all the time. They hit on you all the time. They either love you or they hate you."

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090628/NEWS01/906280368/Women+car+lovers+still+face+prejudice

Wish i could find a girl like this...

EastCoastMojo
EastCoastMojo GRM+ Memberand Dork
7/6/09 12:34 p.m.
Rusty_Rabbit84 wrote: Sometimes, when she answers the phone at her business, Detroit Speed and Engineering in Mooresville, N.C., people will insist on speaking to someone who can answer a technical question, assuming that she can't.

Yeah. I deal with this DAILY. It never loses it's sting. I'm going to have to go visit her shop.

walterj
walterj Dork
7/6/09 12:46 p.m.

I've seen her car in a magazine somewhere... very nice. She used to be on that douchebag TV show as the "Welder girl" IIRC.

There have been more and more women coming out to track days alone with their cars but not nearly enough to turn the tide on what is a landslide sausagefest. I don't really know why more women aren't involved except maybe culture made it inaccessible to all but very few. I can't say it isn't intimidating to wedge into a crowd of foul-mouthed, unshaven, sweaty guys trying to fix broken cars and drink beer after a long day at the track... so there is that.

NYG95GA
NYG95GA SuperDork
7/6/09 1:11 p.m.

Our region doesn't run an L designation; every car in a class runs together. I've been whooped a number of times by women. Never had a problem with it, I do understand that certain guys get their feelings hurt over it. I never have.

captainzib
captainzib Reader
7/6/09 1:46 p.m.
Rusty_Rabbit84 wrote: Wish i could find a girl like this...

Me too.

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
7/6/09 1:48 p.m.
EastCoastMojo wrote:
Rusty_Rabbit84 wrote: Sometimes, when she answers the phone at her business, Detroit Speed and Engineering in Mooresville, N.C., people will insist on speaking to someone who can answer a technical question, assuming that she can't.
Yeah. I deal with this DAILY. It never loses it's sting. I'm going to have to go visit her shop.

I was going to pull the same quote and make pretty much the same comment.

The most blatant I've seen was a fellow who called one afternoon when several of the guys were out of the office. He ran down the entire masthead asking for different people to help with his "technical question;" once he got to Gabe (in circulation!), I blurted out, "Ah... you just want to talk to someone with a dick."

I try not to do that anymore, but damn, it was satisfying.

Margie

Will
Will Reader
7/6/09 1:48 p.m.

I've driven against Stacy Tucker and been to their shop. She's the real deal--very talented & it's amazing what she and Kyle can do to get an early F-body to handle.

captainzib
captainzib Reader
7/6/09 1:49 p.m.

Also, I love the irony in Rusty's avatar.

Travis_K
Travis_K HalfDork
7/6/09 1:49 p.m.

It is definitly unusual to see women who are interested in cars, but I usually think good, I wish more women knew about cars/could drive them well.

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury Dork
7/6/09 1:50 p.m.

ha ha I was waiting for your input Margie...well played indeed!!

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
7/6/09 1:52 p.m.

Prejudice? Not from me!

I can sort of see what causes the phone thing though...if a woman answers the phone at a shop you've never been to in person, you're not going to expect her to be a mechanic right off the bat. It may not be misogyny but rather subconscious stereotyping.

I've been beaten by women before at AutoX and it doesn't bother me. I know guys who are bothered and it just seems really childish

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
7/6/09 2:20 p.m.

unfortunately, I have never called a shop where a woman has been able to help me with a technical issue. I would prefer it, I hate sitting on hold while they find somebody who can

Rusty_Rabbit84
Rusty_Rabbit84 HalfDork
7/6/09 2:21 p.m.
captainzib wrote: Also, I love the irony in Rusty's avatar.

hahaha!!!! ya she gets the job done...

Morbid
Morbid New Reader
7/6/09 2:55 p.m.
EastCoastMojo wrote:
Rusty_Rabbit84 wrote: Sometimes, when she answers the phone at her business, Detroit Speed and Engineering in Mooresville, N.C., people will insist on speaking to someone who can answer a technical question, assuming that she can't.
Yeah. I deal with this DAILY. It never loses it's sting.

Yeah that^ (except I don't deal with it daily, anymore)

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
7/6/09 3:02 p.m.

It was a woman who helped me get started in autocrossing. She later went on to become a multi-time national champion.

slantvaliant
slantvaliant Reader
7/6/09 3:17 p.m.

Not saying it's the case here, but some people are a little oversensitive, and tend to see bias or insult where there may be none.

It's not unreasonable to assume that the first person to answer the phone is a receptionist/secretary/staff weinie who needs to sort calls quickly and get back to someone or something else. Politely making it clear that you have a technical question, or a billing issue, or a need to talk to a specific person is just good manners. It shouldn't be taken as an assumption that the phone-answerer can't possibly know enough to help.

Some people have also been taught that they should always ask for people by name, to avoid a runaround or handoff to subordinates. It's up there with not taking "No" for an answer in irritating but not necessarily offensive behavior.

Me? I'm just glad to get a real live English-speaking person on the phone these days. I then try to follow the First Rule of Business: Do not tick off the people who answer phones or handle checks, for they are truly dangerous.

SVreX
SVreX SuperDork
7/6/09 3:19 p.m.

Most of the smartest women (and men) In business I've met have learned how to turn perceived weaknesses into strengths.

Women owned construction companies, for example, have a much more loyal and reliable client base, and are able to charge higher markups when they learn how to market who they are (a "woman's" touch, softer selling, design features, better overall company presentation, and understanding of how to market to women).

Similarly, great minority owned companies posture themselves to take advantage of their situation (minority contracts, non-competitive bids, etc).

Call it prejudice if you want to. Smart owners call it market advantage. Looks like she gets it:

But Tucker gave up arguing with them and usually just hands the phone to a man. "For the sake of the business, I've learned to turn the phone over,'' she said. "I guess they're embarrassed to talk to a girl."

She looks pretty smart to me.

My wife and I realized a while back that we could biatch about disadvantages, or choose to market my construction company with all the
advantages we happen to have (she's Hispanic, so her ownership makes us a double minority).

You gotta play the cards you are dealt. I love it when someone makes it clear they don't want to work with a white male. Makes it easy. I just send my wife. Similarly, she is perfectly happy to hand the phone to me when somebody doesn't want to talk to a "little girl". Let 'em think what they want- doesn't bother us one bit.

minimac
minimac Dork
7/6/09 3:23 p.m.
Marjorie Suddard wrote: I blurted out, "Ah... you just want to talk to someone with a dick."............ Margie

Do I detect just a wee bit of Penis Envy? (Note to self : do not use wee bit in the same sentence as penis)

EastCoastMojo
EastCoastMojo GRM+ Memberand Dork
7/6/09 3:58 p.m.
slantvaliant wrote: Not saying it's the case here, but some people are a little oversensitive, and tend to see bias or insult where there may be none.

For the longest time I just kelp saying to myself, "You're being too sensitive", and being a gal I know we have a rep for that kind of thing. So, I tend go in the other direction and try my hardest not to take things personally or let emotions get involved. But when someone comes in the door and you greet them with a smile and ask if they have any questions and you are met with a curt "No, I need to talk to someone who knows something" it's hard not to take that personally. It gets frustrating when almost every new customer you approach has the same assumption that you are there because you are nice to look at and not because you hold your own. It gets old.

mel_horn
mel_horn HalfDork
7/6/09 4:13 p.m.
slantvaliant wrote: It's not unreasonable to assume that the first person to answer the phone is a receptionist/secretary/staff weinie who needs to sort calls quickly and get back to someone or something else. Politely making it clear that you have a technical question, or a billing issue, or a need to talk to a specific person is just good manners. It shouldn't be taken as an assumption that the phone-answerer can't possibly know enough to help.

Rather this than " For customer service, press 1...for accounting, press 3..."

Wouldn't hurt if the person answering the phone ID'd herself as "Service, Linda speaking!"(provided her name is Linda, of course), either...

BTW, I have worked for a woman and she REFUSED to claim minority/female status when bidding for government contracts, no matter HOW much we reminded her...

Jensenman
Jensenman SuperDork
7/6/09 4:30 p.m.

My co driver for several events last year is a 25 year old college girl, she's a music major. It took her a few events to figure out the Abomination but then she could make it HOLLER. She apologized for getting close to my times and I told her that it didn't matter if she beat me but if she didn't try her best that would piss me off.

She now co drives the FSP 'Super Rabbit' in our region and at the last event beat the car owner's best time. She also drove on our LeMons team.

walterj
walterj Dork
7/6/09 4:33 p.m.
EastCoastMojo wrote: ... assumption that you are there because you are nice to look at ...

It would not be appropriate to ask for pics at this juncture would it? :)

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand Reader
7/6/09 4:41 p.m.
slantvaliant wrote: I then try to follow the First Rule of Business: Do not tick off the people who answer phones or handle checks, for they are truly dangerous.

Amen!

We deal with several "secretaries" in engineering departments at hospitals. I don't care who has their name on the door, the lady in front of it runs the place. Piss them off and you might as well give up. They can and will make your life miserable. Be polite and treat them like people instead of appliances and they can make life so much easier.

As far as people coming into your shops and treating you poorly. Keep in mind, price is directly proportional to customers attitudes.

Strizzo
Strizzo Dork
7/6/09 5:05 p.m.
Toyman01 wrote:
slantvaliant wrote: I then try to follow the First Rule of Business: Do not tick off the people who answer phones or handle checks, for they are truly dangerous.
Amen! We deal with several "secretaries" in engineering departments at hospitals. I don't care who has their name on the door, the lady in front of it runs the place. Piss them off and you might as well give up. They can and will make your life miserable. Be polite and treat them like people instead of appliances and they can make life so much easier. As far as people coming into your shops and treating you poorly. Keep in mind, price is directly proportional to customers attitudes.

this reminds me of something i learned in one of the business classes i took, the teacher said, "you always want to think about the gatekeeper". meaning that those nice chocolates you send over with your company logo on the top of them isn't really for their boss. he might think "oh, thats a nice gesture" and then give them to his secretary/assistant. the gatekeeper then enjoys them and when you call and say "hi, this is jimmy, with jimmy's bait shop, can i speak with joe-jack?" they say "oh, you're the one that sent those great chocolates with your logo on the top! i'll put you right through"

and there you go

ckosacranoid
ckosacranoid HalfDork
7/6/09 5:34 p.m.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eiy3_KRKNaQ (sorry, but the thought counts here i think.....) (gets down on knees and lays out prosarta) we are wothy, we are worthy, we are worthy.....

for all the women in racing and into cars.....

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