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Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
9/25/23 8:58 a.m.

Just saw this flooding my social feeds this morning, and since it's close to my passions, I figured I'd share.

TL;DR: The Writer's Guild of America (WGA) reached a tentative agreement with the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers (AMPTP). While the final wording needs to be approved, this is a good sign that the writer's strike could be ending very soon.

From the WGA:

Dear Members,

We have reached a tentative agreement on a new 2023 MBA, which is to say an agreement in principle on all deal points, subject to drafting final contract language. 

What we have won in this contract—most particularly, everything we have gained since May 2nd—is due to the willingness of this membership to exercise its power, to demonstrate its solidarity, to walk side-by-side, to endure the pain and uncertainty of the past 146 days. It is the leverage generated by your strike, in concert with the extraordinary support of our union siblings, that finally brought the companies back to the table to make a deal. 

We can say, with great pride, that this deal is exceptional—with meaningful gains and protections for writers in every sector of the membership. 

What remains now is for our staff to make sure everything we have agreed to is codified in final contract language. And though we are eager to share the details of what has been achieved with you, we cannot do that until the last “i” is dotted. To do so would complicate our ability to finish the job. So, as you have been patient with us before, we ask you to be patient again—one last time. 

Once the Memorandum of Agreement with the AMPTP is complete, the Negotiating Committee will vote on whether to recommend the agreement and send it on to the WGAW Board and WGAE Council for approval. The Board and Council will then vote on whether to authorize a contract ratification vote by the membership. 

If that authorization is approved, the Board and Council would also vote on whether to lift the restraining order and end the strike at a certain date and time (to be determined) pending ratification. This would allow writers to return to work during the ratification vote, but would not affect the membership’s right to make a final determination on contract approval. 

Immediately after those leadership votes, which are tentatively scheduled for Tuesday if the language is settled, we will provide a comprehensive summary of the deal points and the Memorandum of Agreement. We will also convene meetings where members will have the opportunity to learn more about and assess the deal before voting on ratification. 

To be clear, no one is to return to work until specifically authorized to by the Guild. We are still on strike until then. But we are, as of today, suspending WGA picketing. Instead, if you are able, we encourage you to join the SAG-AFTRA picket lines this week. 

Finally, we appreciated your patience as you waited for news from us—and had to fend off rumors—during the last few days of the negotiation. Please wait for further information from the Guild. We will have more to share with you in the coming days, as we finalize the contract language and go through our unions’ processes.  

As always, thank you for your support. You will hear from us again very soon.

In solidarity,

WGA Negotiating Committee

J.A. Ackley
J.A. Ackley Senior Editor
9/25/23 9:37 a.m.

Will we see a delay in new shows on our favorite streaming channels? I guess time will tell.

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
9/25/23 9:41 a.m.

In reply to J.A. Ackley :

Oh yes. Nearly every project has been pushed back months if not years. (If I find a concise chart, I'll be sure to post it here.)

The most humorous for me is Season 3 Euphoria. We likely won't see any new episodes until 2026, when most of the actors–who are portraying high school students–will be in their 30s.

It's also important to point out that SAG-AFTRA is still on strike, so even though the writers might be back to work, the actors won't–at least not yet.

SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
9/25/23 10:03 a.m.

I hope it works out for them. 
 

Im concerned that it's a bandaid. I had a 2 hour conversation this weekend with the Chairman of FX Networks about this (he's a close relative).  He feels that ultimately the AI issue is an issue that can't be resolved long term. 
 

But I'm glad they have an agreement now. 

Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter)
Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
9/25/23 10:08 a.m.

I have a few friends in the industry and it's beyond silly it's taken this long. 

Mndsm
Mndsm MegaDork
9/25/23 10:17 a.m.

Fuuuuu I was hoping it was going to delay long enough they'd reboot American Gladiators a third time. 

 

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
9/25/23 10:58 a.m.

I do wonder if the agreement also restricts the writers from using AI.  Seems like a very reasonable demand, but might be hard to enforce.

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
9/25/23 11:07 a.m.

In reply to aircooled :

I think the real concern–at least from the WGA–is a little of the opposite: Ensuring the studios don't try to replace writers with AI.

This is my opinion, of course, but it's my understanding that the writers (myself included) aren't interested in using AI to create TVs and movies.

RevRico
RevRico GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/25/23 11:16 a.m.

I keep forgetting there are writers in Hollywood since they've been recycling the same stories since the first talkies. 

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
9/25/23 11:22 a.m.

In reply to RevRico :

I hear you, but that's not really the fault of the writers. Most don't really get to choose what makes it into production, and even then, an idea passes through a lot of hands and a lot of changes before it appears on TV or film.

To be fair, though, movies and TV shows are quite expensive to make, so the people in charge tend to favor safer bets with their money.

Toyman!
Toyman! GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/25/23 11:24 a.m.
RevRico said:

I keep forgetting there are writers in Hollywood since they've been recycling the same stories since the first talkies. 

This can not be repeated enough. I was honestly hoping for a new group of writers. Oh well, back to the shop. 

 

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
9/25/23 11:26 a.m.
Toyman! said:

I was honestly hoping for a new group of writers.

I'm trying, but no luck yet. wink

SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
9/25/23 11:59 a.m.
Colin Wood said:

In reply to aircooled :

I think the real concern–at least from the WGA–is a little of the opposite: Ensuring the studios don't try to replace writers with AI.

This is my opinion, of course, but it's my understanding that the writers (myself included) aren't interested in using AI to create TVs and movies.

That's only partly true. 
 

The WGA wanted writers to be able to use AI, but not the studios. They didn't want the studios to replace writers, but wanted the right for the writers to use it to be more prolific. 
 

It failed to recognize that neither of them own the technology, and that ultimately the 3rd party tech owners would be the ones who would be disruptive, and neither the WGA nor the studios will ultimately have any control. 
 

And yes, screen writers ARE using AI to increase their productivity. 
 

Not sure where they settled (for now)

SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
9/25/23 12:04 p.m.

Honestly if I was a writer, I'd be doing everything I could to become really good at using AI.  
 

It's not going away. 

J.A. Ackley
J.A. Ackley Senior Editor
9/25/23 12:07 p.m.

I also heard revenue from streaming outlets, such as Netflix, Disney+, etc., was a factor. Today's landscape certainly isn't as simple as the movie theater and the three channels you got off the air.

SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
9/25/23 12:10 p.m.

In reply to J.A. Ackley :

Correct. 
 

The channel model is dead. Some companies (like FX) have morphed... for now. 
 

(FX is no longer a channel. They are a content producer for Hulu and Disney +)

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
9/25/23 12:48 p.m.
SV reX said:
Colin Wood said:

In reply to aircooled :

I think the real concern–at least from the WGA–is a little of the opposite: Ensuring the studios don't try to replace writers with AI.

This is my opinion, of course, but it's my understanding that the writers (myself included) aren't interested in using AI to create TVs and movies.

That's only partly true. 
 

The WGA wanted writers to be able to use AI, but not the studios. They didn't want the studios to replace writers, but wanted the right for the writers to use it to be more prolific. 
 

It failed to recognize that neither of them own the technology, and that ultimately the 3rd party tech owners would be the ones who would be disruptive, and neither the WGA nor the studios will ultimately have any control. 
 

And yes, screen writers ARE using AI to increase their productivity. 
 

Not sure where they settled (for now)

Interesting. I didn't think the WGA would be into using AI. I guess I was wrong.

At any rate, I'm also interested to see where both parties have settled.

yupididit
yupididit UltimaDork
9/25/23 1:01 p.m.
RevRico said:

I keep forgetting there are writers in Hollywood since they've been recycling the same stories since the first talkies. 

Yeah that's not on the writers, at all. It sucks that people think writers have so much power over money driven decisions. 

RevRico
RevRico GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/25/23 1:12 p.m.
yupididit said:
RevRico said:

I keep forgetting there are writers in Hollywood since they've been recycling the same stories since the first talkies. 

Yeah that's not on the writers, at all. It sucks that people think writers have so much power over money driven decisions. 

Well, it's not the writers, who strike, and it's not the obnoxious faces, the actors, who are also on strike. So the producers get the blame then? The editors? The directors? Everybody wants to pass the buck. 

So shut Hollywood down entirely and rebuild it. Just one of many industries that could stand to be rebuilt from the ground up.

The world as a whole has changed more drastically in the last 100 years than in the entirety of human history, the legacy industries are still trying to hold onto the old way, when the old way doesn't work anymore. Hollywood, music, car manufacturers, education, even military and farming. Keep up, or burn out so something new can rise from the ashes. We all suffer trying to hold onto legacy while pretending to adapt.

But really, the writers don't have a say in how things are written and how stories are told? Then do they even exist in the first place?

Mndsm
Mndsm MegaDork
9/25/23 1:28 p.m.
RevRico said:
yupididit said:
RevRico said:

I keep forgetting there are writers in Hollywood since they've been recycling the same stories since the first talkies. 

Yeah that's not on the writers, at all. It sucks that people think writers have so much power over money driven decisions. 

Well, it's not the writers, who strike, and it's not the obnoxious faces, the actors, who are also on strike. So the producers get the blame then? The editors? The directors? Everybody wants to pass the buck. 

So shut Hollywood down entirely and rebuild it. Just one of many industries that could stand to be rebuilt from the ground up.

The world as a whole has changed more drastically in the last 100 years than in the entirety of human history, the legacy industries are still trying to hold onto the old way, when the old way doesn't work anymore. Hollywood, music, car manufacturers, education, even military and farming. Keep up, or burn out so something new can rise from the ashes. We all suffer trying to hold onto legacy while pretending to adapt.

But really, the writers don't have a say in how things are written and how stories are told? Then do they even exist in the first place?

Not as much as you'd think. Money controls everything. Writers don't have the money. Writers exist for the same reason mechanics exist. They know how to put the parts in the places to make the things go. 

preach
preach GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
9/25/23 4:34 p.m.

Sweet we are now open to more remade crap from Hollywood!

superfund
superfund Reader
9/25/23 7:46 p.m.

Is there some way they can have this without it bringing back late night shows? I really haven't missed those clips flooding youtube

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
9/25/23 8:53 p.m.
superfund said:

Is there some way they can have this without it bringing back late night shows? I really haven't missed those clips flooding youtube

Gotta say, I've never understood this "I don't like this thing, so nobody else should be able to see it" attitude.

Youtube is going to feed you things you engage with, so, stop engaging with late night clips.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
9/25/23 9:50 p.m.

Ehhhh.... YouTube also pushes a lot of sponsored link / news stuff also.

I never understood how any large number of people could stay up late enough the watch those shows and still go to work in the morning.  I guess some people don't need a lot of sleep.

I hear the viewer numbers on those shows are rather low.  The fact there are still so many is a bit surprising.  It's amazing that they can make money.

Apparently a bunch of the hosts got together to do a podcast while their shows were off the air.  It was apparently pretty clear why they REALLY NEED writers!

superfund
superfund Reader
9/25/23 10:22 p.m.

In reply to Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) :

I don't engage with them. They get pushed no matter what because they're big names 

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