what would people recomned on a car that the factory suggests this? I have caber bolts and plates and this is my dayly driver , I am just trying to make it fun to drive to work.
fyi its an hyudai accent kia rio..
what would people recomned on a car that the factory suggests this? I have caber bolts and plates and this is my dayly driver , I am just trying to make it fun to drive to work.
fyi its an hyudai accent kia rio..
With a 13° kingpin, are these MacPherson struts?
I would put the front at -1.5° to -2.o° camber for more fun, but it will eat tires. The interwebs will say that camber doesn't wear tires, but the interwebs is wrong.
I'd set the rear toe-in to the minimum, maybe even zero.
I'd set the front toe-out to maximum, but your tires will last longer at zero. It'll be more fun with that 0.2° toe out (negative toe -in).
In all honesty, it can be a whole lot more fun with the fattest rear sway bar you can get, and keep the alignment settings sensible (though I'd want a tick more front negative camber than the back).
That's just my opinion.
In reply to SkinnyG (Forum Supporter) :
yes its macpherson struts..
What I was going to do was -1.2 or so in the front and -.75 or -1 in the rear? is that enough of a difference between the front and rear? I was just going ot get toe set at zero but I might ask the mechanic who works on these his opinion on tire wear. if a point of a degree or two of toe out wont effect tire wear to badly I am more than willing to try it if it could make the car a bit more entertaining to drive.
Depending on year of the accent/Rio, the rear is fixed via the beam. You can try to manufacture some spacers to create camber but the more camber you create the more toe in you get when the suspension compresses. Additionally if you have ABS adding the spacer will lose contact for the sensor back there causing TCS and ABS codes to pop and not act correctly.
To make the 3rd gen accent fun: rear bar, H&R (or some other decent lowering spring), crash bolts for ~1.4* (all I could ever get out of it) negative camber. Leave toe at 0. Enjoy but I will recommend rotating tires at every oilchange because as mentioned camber does wear the inner shoulder.
In reply to bobzilla :
I bought some wheel spacers for the rear and it is a 2008, or the JB model or the same as skinnies MC accent. I Am not even sure if it has ABS, I've never locked the wheels up on it and haven't had ABS kick on even in winter. IS there anything I Can do to fix the sensor situation?
thse are supposed to be able to adjust toe as well as camber
for some reason the video that gets posted is massive and I can't resize it , I Apologize about this. I was going to post a link but those look fishy and I Am not trying to pull anything on here
if i did toe adjustments would doing .2 % of toe out effect tire wear that badly? also do you do the same amount of toe to the drive tires and the rear set of tires? should i try for a bit more than .2 degrees of toe out? that shim says it can adjust rear camber by +/-1.5° and toe by +/-1.5°
0.2° toe out is still on spec, so that's fine. That's about 5/32"
You want 0° toe in the rear.
Rear toe out makes the car want to swap ends really quickly; don't do it on a street car.
Camber doesn't wear as badly as toe. I've done 2-3deg on mac strut vw street cars and the wear is liveable if you rotate decently.
In reply to SkinnyG (Forum Supporter) :
cool, I will set the front to .2° of toe out and -1.5° of camber or so and the rear at 0° toe and -1° of camber. I might actually have my car on the road sometime soon lol
I don't see a need/want for dialing 0 rear, I would keep a slight toe in for stability on a driver.
In reply to Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter) :
are you suggesting toe in on the rear and toe out on the front? like how much would you be suggesting? -.2° toe out on the front and a small amount of toe in on the rear?
Edit
Anyway I Am SURE i can handle 0 degree toe in the rear, IT's probably 0° right now. I was more interested in the most camber and toe out i can do while still having decent tire wear as this is an econobox that I am using to drive to work and for making the drive there entertaining.
I am more worried about the alterations even having an impact on handling at all instead of just an increase in tire wear and ,mpg..... I am pretty sure I can handle EVERYTHING this rio can throw at me..
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