Grand Turismo 6

race tires ruin the elise. I can't this thing to handle consistently at all.

agreed, I don't like race tires on anything. Makes things handle goofy, especially already goofy cars like the elise. I tried them on that BRZ race car and it ended up being impossible to loose it. It drove like a slot car. Push a little hard, and it understeers a little. Push harder, it understeers more. Try Scandinavian flick, barely any slide. It seems like it lets go easily, but after letting go it still has a ton of grip. I could corner fairly quickly in that elise in a full on slide. I lost speed compared to not drifting, but it still had far more grip than I would've expected.

OTOH, i've never driven a car with slicks, so I have no idea how they handle in real life.

I like race tires on heavy cars, but I don't like the feel on light cars like the Elise.

Anyone beat my Elise time yet? I figure monkey boy will put another 3 seconds on me like last time lol

I beat it, but not by 3 seconds. I'm not sure that's possible without the driver aides on.

In reply to Spoolpigeon:

I was four seconds slower, but I used the old Elise. Like a Man.

How bad? I know there's at least 2 tenths in the first sector alone because I keep screwing up T1. I had a lap going where I was up 2 tenths over my best lap then screwed up T4 lol.

That's the thing, I was behind your ghost a tenth or 2, then ahead of it, then crash, etc... I never did take time to learn Brands Hatch. T1 was like get it perfect and fly ahead, or lose too much time to ever make up. A couple other corners like that, too, like the left before the long uphill, and the final corner. Lots of time to be made, or lost.

I think i'm only 2 tenths faster, maybe a little less. Definitely beatable. Also I didn't mess with settings much.

Nevermind what I said, we're using different cars, that might be why I seem to struggle and sometimes seem to pass you. It's hard to keep up to your line through corners, but on straights it's almost like you hit a wall.

Rufledt wrote: Nevermind what I said, we're using different cars, that might be why I seem to struggle and sometimes seem to pass you. It's hard to keep up to your line through corners, but on straights it's almost like you hit a wall.

I've played around with both the older and newer versions. The older version seems to corner at higher speeds and turn in a little more sharply, allowing a later brake point, but doesn't generate quite as much speed. I was hitting 130mph or more before turning into T1 with the newer model, but struggling to get above 125 with the older model. I also found the older model was occasionally "between gears" in some of the corners (its a 5spd vs the 6spd for the newer model) and yet, somehow, it was turning similar lap times. Slower than you guys by several seconds, but consistently similar between the two cars.

Yeah, the old one is a bit of a slug in the straight bits. I already had the car so I used it

I'm trying to dial out the initial under steer. Family stuff all day today but this will get my attention later.

I race on slicks. They don't make things handle this strangely.

DaveEstey wrote: race tires ruin the elise. I can't this thing to handle consistently at all.

Build up the engine and add weight, and then move all of the ballast to the front. It helps, a lot.

Chapman would lose his mind. Add power, reduce lightness? In a Lotus?

Grizz wrote:

DaveEstey wrote: race tires ruin the elise. I can't this thing to handle consistently at all.

Build up the engine and add weight, and then move all of the ballast to the front. It helps, a lot.

John Brown wrote: Chapman would lose his mind. Add power, reduce lightness? In a Lotus?

From my small research on GTPlanet, that seemed to be the tuning method of choice for the Rocket, too, except with a mild rear bias. The fast ticket seemed to be maximum ballast (!) set slightly aft of center, with as much power as could be added to meet the PP limit.

Kinda defeats the purpose of a lightweight momentum car, no? Me no likey the tuning-based seasonals.

True, but on big courses like Brands hatch the extra power makes up for what you lose in the corners. Tighter tracks lean back towards lighter weight as the better setup.

I'll try the Elise challenge again today and see what I can do with the newer Elise.

Spoolpigeon wrote: True, but on big courses like Brands hatch the extra power makes up for what you lose in the corners.

Oh, I'm not arguing with what makes the fast setup. I'm indirectly criticizing Polyphony Digital for picking a particular track / car combination, and then making the fastest tune for that car be one that throws away most of the inherent properties of the original car.

In reply to Duke:

For sure. That's why I enjoy the stock car challenges. You get to enjoy the car for what it is. Not to mention that some of us suck at setting up a car, so that's just another disadvantage from the leaders.

New time for the Elise challenge is up. Tried the newer Elise and it has 50hp more than the old version. It corners worse than the old one (surprising amount of understeer), but the power outweighs the handling problems.

DaveEstey wrote: race tires ruin the elise. I can't this thing to handle consistently at all.

I agree. I felt like I had to drive this seasonal on reflex and instinct instead of actually driving the car.

the Plymouth Ghia challenge was actually incredibly fun. I do a quick tune on the car to get up to the PP max. And then my first lap was my fastest! I think I was sideways drifting to the turns 1 2 and 3. I couldn't replicate the perfect drifts I had on the first lap and then made several mistakes through the rest of the lap so I just quit with the gold in hand. it was probably a way to go a lot faster but that was the most fun.

The ghia was pretty fun, still quit once I got gold. The lambo one was miserable though.

Spoolpigeon wrote: The ghia was pretty fun, still quit once I got gold. The lambo one was miserable though.

Yeah I had to really modify the weight balance and spring rates on the Lamborghini event. Took a while to get myself acclimated to it.

I was a bit confused with the Lambo. I could not figure out why a 4WD car has so little traction.... ooohhhhh....

I did not think it was terrible. Very challenging, and a very good lesson in throttle control.

I found it frustrating to drive a fast car like that on E36 M3 tires. I ended up using stock suspension, full rear wing and adjusting the diff settings to get gold.

Spoolpigeon wrote: I found it frustrating to drive a fast car like that on E36 M3 tires. I ended up using stock suspension, full rear wing and adjusting the diff settings to get gold.

I really hate the "fast car on crap tires" dynamic. Can you imagine showing up for a time attack event in a half million dollar, 650hp, race-modded Lambo rocking Yoko S.drives? Neither can I. IF you passed tech, AND didn't kill yourself, you'd never live that down. (You'd never live it down either way, but if you were dead, I guess it wouldn't matter)