GRM Assetto Corsa Racing League S16 - Singers

Figures.

Now that I set up my steering wheel properly and was 4th at qualifying my connection collapsed under the weight of my gigantic ping. Might be time to look into switching providers 

In reply to Piguin :

Having a poor connection isn't fun...  I went through it earlier this year... major glitching and got dumped off the server in a couple of races.  My problem turned out to be a seriously degraded cable from outside into the house.  My provider ended up replacing it for free, and I haven't had any major connection problems since.  Point is to check everything, 'cause the problem might not be what you think.

Yeah, that wasn't fun. And timing sucked, since I managed a decent time without having driven there before today. Was looking forward to not being afraid that I'd spun out and cost one of you guys your points. Hope I didn't crash on anyone as I was teleporting, since I could see you blinking in and out all over the place.

Currently the issue is that I am on Verizon's 5G home internet or whatever, which means that there can be huge fluctuations depending on signal, which is way more variable than it should be considering the 'modem' is in a set position, or network load - either on Verizon as a whole or through the antenna I am using.

I did spend a day with an extension cord moving the receiver all over the house to find the best reception with speed tests. At this point I think I need to look for another solution, even if there are no practical issues in normal use or streaming besides a very occasional quality fluctuation.

Was some great racing. At one point I think we went three wide in to the bus stop and maybe also turn one.  
 

Everyone has been getting better at there racecraft. Generally I don't have a problem going door to door through corners with anyone.  
 

Pro and I once again had some great racing.  There looks to be some really close points battles all through the field. This last race is going to be really exciting.   

Results and Standings:  2nd and 3rd are very tight.  4-6 is also tight.  Darwin is pretty much a lock for the win, unless he misses next week, you know... has an "accident" or something... Dean...   Otherwise Dean needs 10 more points than him in the last race (e.g. Dean first, Darwin 9th!).  Rodan is right on Deans heals though, so, he still has work to do.  Because of drops, the worst (points wise) Dean can place next race is 6th, even if he doesn't race (attendance has it's privilege).

Also of note is I will have special "prizes" to hand out again that are good from Dec 3-15th so let me know if you are interested.  I should have at least a few available (probably 4).

I am always in for prizes. I need a big box.

When is the hammer store going to start selling video cards?  I could use a Chicago Electric RTX 4090 knockoff

@ Air. If there are any left over I have a need but since I have got them in the past let others claim them first.   

So what is everyone's take on the Super GT HC system?  I think it has been very successful in pulling the field together and promoting close racing. I also think it has kept the points race closer. 
 

My only concern is if we race a slower low hp car. The current 2kg per series point may have to be adjusted. The 2kg per point with the singer seems to work really well and if we can mathematically replicate the ratio of HP and weight of future cars I think it could be scalable.

In reply to dean1484 :

IMHO, we are reaching the limit with the Singer... it wasn't terrible at Daytona, but Meadowdale is tight with a fair amount of uphill and 500+lbs of extra weight is really hampering the driveability of the car.

I agree that it's made the racing closer, but now that everyone who has run most of the season has over 200lbs of weight, the field is spread back out into 3-4 'clusters' of drivers.

It's going to depend a lot on the car and the track how much weight is appropriate... I'm interested to see how it goes this week.  I know the Singer is not fun to drive at Meadowdale with 500 extra lbs... 

I think it's working well.  With lower hp cars we can reduce multiplier.  150hp cars may only get 1kg per point for example.
 

It's nice that if you miss races (and thus don't get points) you don't show back up burdened with prostitutes and unable to catch up.

It also seems to even out the peaks that happen when someone has a good or bad race since the HC isn't just based on a single race, but cumulative score.

And of course it is nice that it impacts the entire field not just the front runners.  It's more like a gradual function instead of stepped brackets.

We are definitely nearing the limit of what the singers can handle but it's the last race so... seems about right.  Adjusting all weight down to zero out the lowest performer is always an option, but that means instead of a steady climb, it will jump around a bit.

Not to make the math harder for figuring things out, but maybe the kg/points (whether 1, 2, whatever) divided by your overall place in the two races?  1st gets full, 2nd gets half, etc...?  Over the course of the season it would probably balance out pretty well... IDK?

I think we can very reasonably take 100 kg off of every one.   That does, mathematically, about double the spread, percentage wise, between the top drivers.  So maybe 50kg if we are worried about that?

Don't forget that the point of the HC is to make it harder for the better drivers. Slowing the cars and making them harder to drive for the points leaders and in theory the faster drivers is pulling things closer and promoting closer racing and what this points based system has done is keep the points race close as well. I am calling it a success. 

In reply to dean1484 :

I agree, but by the end of the series, we're now putting nearly as much weight on the back end of the pack as we used to on the front runners, so they are handicapped more than previously.  It's definitely slowed the front runners, and the field has kind of developed 3-4 'groups' that are fairly close, but overall the field is still spread out.  And we're reaching an amount of weight on the front runners that is seriously berkeleying up the car's handling and tire wear.

Our previous system had weight come off if you weren't a top finisher... maybe bring that part back to help the mid-pack?

I don't know the answer... is there no way to force a power reduction for individual drivers?  That + a smaller amount of weight would be a better HC, IMHO.

In reply to Rodan :

Zero the HC to the lowest participant that has a HC?  
 

Do a 50kg correction of the HC to everyone with each application of the drop?  
 

Only those that are in the top 5 in the points get a HC applied with the HC applied in a decreasing manor not based on series points?  (Kind of like how we use to do it but base it on points not the  finishing position of the previous race. 
 

What I really like about the current system is that it is based on series points and not your finishing position of the previous race. It smooths out the application of the HC such that a fluke good or bad finish does not sque the HC application nearly as much as it did with the old system.  
 

I agree that the points chase has sort of fallen in to a couple groups but to me that is ok.  That is peoples luck and skill comming together and placing them in a comparative order. That will never change.  What I have been striving for is to keep the field  close to promote close racing with the championship being decided with in that applied rule set. 

Highlights from last week, with special introduction:

dean1484 said:

In reply to Rodan :

Zero the HC to the lowest participant that has a HC?  
 

Do a 50kg correction of the HC to everyone with each application of the drop?  
 

Only those that are in the top 5 in the points get a HC applied with the HC applied in a decreasing manor not based on series points?  (Kind of like how we use to do it but base it on points not the  finishing position of the previous race. 
 

What I really like about the current system is that it is based on series points and not your finishing position of the previous race. It smooths out the application of the HC such that a fluke good or bad finish does not sque the HC application nearly as much as it did with the old system.  
 

I agree that the points chase has sort of fallen in to a couple groups but to me that is ok.  That is peoples luck and skill comming together and placing them in a comparative order. That will never change.  What I have been striving for is to keep the field  close to promote close racing with the championship being decided with in that applied rule set. 

Daring to stick my toes into the deep end of the pool here because I am probably the most ignorant to how HC works but under the current setup for HC it seems to keep every competitor that does not really have podium potential in the same order every race as the fastest 3 or 4 competitors swap positions on the podium and everyone else stays in the same finishing order in general. My point is beyond those 3-4 drivers who are swapping spots at the pointy end affected by the weight the HC going all the way down the list causes all the other drivers to stay in the same relative position as the beginning of the competition when no one has weight. It appears to me that the resultant effect is the same as having no HC at all for any competitor negating the point of HC entirely. An example: Before the change to everyone adding HC beyond the however many cars got HC ( was it the first 3 or 5 places?) my times at the start of a season are within 6 to 10 seconds of first place. By the end of the season my times were within 3 seconds of first place and everyone else on the back end of the field also with similar times, still no threat to the fastest competitors, but boy did it bring us closer to the rest of the group and if we finished at a higher position THEN the added weight brought us back down a bit. Under the current HC rules I maintain the same 6 to 10 second time behind the leader as well as do the other competitors normally in the back 2/3rds of the field for the entire season, seemingly making the entire weight system pointless. Feel free to educate, castigate or insult me for my poor understanding.

In reply to gunner (Forum Supporter) :

That was kind of the point I was trying to make about the way we did this series as opposed to previous series.  The folks in the mid-pack and further back are getting more HC than previously, which has the opposite of the intended effect.

That is the downside of the current method is that those in the back get HC's when they normally don't.  Of course, it's the differential that matters (the spread between the drivers).  That should still be similar (but maybe not?).  The one advantage of those in the back getting HC's is it should be balancing them a bit also, where as with the normal system a back runner will never gain any advantage over other back runners.

It's pretty clear, in most cases, fast drivers will still tend to finish higher up, even with HC's because what kills most of us are the mistakes (e.g. spins), and there is no HC that will make up for those!

Potentially, we could crank up the HC multiplier a bit, but, as noted previously, we get into some pretty big numbers eventually.  So doing an overall adjustment at some point is not a bad idea.  Maybe subtract a certain number every 2 races, or 4 races?  This may result is some going to zero, so we might loose a bit of the back runner HC advantages, which gets us closer to what we used to use.

Ok yes, and thank you.  I am understanding what you are saying. I needed to type it out in my own words to gain that and to do that I needed time to process. If I tried to express myself in real time (as in live voice chat) to express the same thoughts i would have said 'more weight bad. Make car slow, slow car is slow. ' Rather truncating my actual thought.

Ok I am going to ponder all this re the HC and see if I can formulate a plan.   

I just wanted to understand the ideas behind the change to the HC. I appreciated the discussion we had last night about it. I am all for reusing what we did for the next series to try it out again.  I felt like I got the lowdown on the thoughts behind the change and I am glad we were able to talk about it.