GRM Gran Turismo Series 8 Testing

No s2000 in the 90s Japan cars, correct?

I think there is one. A 99? It was killer fast. I think we only banned you from driving it

I tested all the Jags and some of the db7's and a couple db9's. The best of the bunch was a jag. I found one that is a very good car. Easy to drive. I was equally as fast as the other cars on the list and it is a decent handling car to boot.

It is the Jaguar XKR R Performance 02.

So the EURO GT 550/1500 grab bag series car line up is.

• Jaguar XKR R Performance '02

• Aston Martin V12 Vantage '10

• Ferrari California '08

• Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione '08

• BMW M4 Coup

• Maserati Grand Turismo S '08

e30Matt wrote: Dean, the Aston Martin V12 Vanquish '10 is the car. All the Astons were about even in terms of pace but that one was by far the best driving of the lot.

Sauce,

I can not find that car do you win it or do you mean the

Aston Martin V12 Vantage '10

Mr_Clutch42 wrote: In reply to dean1484: Which TVR?

We ran the tuskin speed 6

If it's the same race I am remembering, it was a Speed 12...

on a small oval...

with nitrous

Yes, there we're "issues"

dean1484 wrote: I think there is one. A 99? It was killer fast. I think we only banned you from driving it

Oh. Hahahahahaha

In reply to Spoolpigeon:

Matt needs to answer about the s2000. I was on average 2-3 seconds faster in it than any other car I tested and it was not tuned. I know we discussed it but I don't remember what he decided.

dean1484 wrote: Sauce, I can not find that car do you win it or do you mean the Aston Martin V12 Vantage '10

Yeah, that's it. I wasn't in the game when I wrote the post and chose the wrong V name from memory.

aircooled wrote: If it's the same race I am remembering, it was a Speed 12... on a small oval... with nitrous Yes, there we're "issues"

With fuel and tire wear

I'm amazed anyone let me participate in the Driver's Choice after that one

dean1484 wrote: In reply to Spoolpigeon: Matt needs to answer about the s2000. I was on average 2-3 seconds faster in it than any other car I tested and it was not tuned. I know we discussed it but I don't remember what he decided.

I'm not surprised (puts sunglasses on)

So aside from the S, anything is good with the exception of concept cars or prototypes, correct? And will we be keeping the same car all season?

Spoolpigeon wrote:

dean1484 wrote: In reply to Spoolpigeon: Matt needs to answer about the s2000. I was on average 2-3 seconds faster in it than any other car I tested and it was not tuned. I know we discussed it but I don't remember what he decided.

I'm not surprised (*puts sunglasses on*) So aside from the S, anything is good with the exception of concept cars or prototypes, correct? And will we be keeping the same car all season?

Yep the standard rules. Drivers remorse up to the 2nd race then a change is allowed at the mid season brake.

e30Matt wrote:

dean1484 wrote: Sauce, I can not find that car do you win it or do you mean the Aston Martin V12 Vantage '10

Yeah, that's it. I wasn't in the game when I wrote the post and chose the wrong V name from memory.

Cool Tks!!! Corrected the list in my previous post.

dean1484 wrote: In reply to Spoolpigeon: Matt needs to answer about the s2000. I was on average 2-3 seconds faster in it than any other car I tested and it was not tuned. I know we discussed it but I don't remember what he decided.

I know for sure it wasn't banned overall, but I'll take another look at it tonight and give a ruling as to whether it needs a small handicap added. My initial thought is that it's fine where it is, but if a HC is added it will only be 2-3pp. It for sure is not 2-3 seconds faster than everything else given that in testing I had 15 other cars that were within 2 seconds of my s2k time, but a small HC might be enough to keep it from being spec s2k.

Along those same lines, there are a TON of car options for this series so I'm hoping for a very diverse field. In my testing I found 8 cars to be within 1 second of my top time and another 7 within 2. When you take into account the tunes (most of the cars I started with a base tune and made a few tweaks, but didn't spend the time to do a full tune) and driving style most of those cars have the possibility to be competitive in the right hands. I also only tested what I thought would be the most likely candidates, but as we've seen from practice there are some oddball cars like Mudd's Levin that are dang quick.

It actually would probably be a good idea for people to post their intended car choice at some point this week. If it looks like we're approaching a spec S2000/FD series we'll have to cap how many of each car is allowed, but I hope it doesn't come to that.

aircooled wrote: If it's the same race I am remembering, it was a Speed 12... on a small oval... with nitrous Yes, there we're "issues"

Ya that was the car. What a POS that was. I sold that car I think and I don't own any TVR's because of that adventure. It did not help that I had a huge crash as well in that race. With those cars and that track there was never going to be an small crashes.

In reply to e30Matt:

I intend to run an FD at the moment unless I can find something better. I liked the FC but it is slower than the FD.

I would run the S2000 but for me it was MUCH faster. I actually thaught we had banned it or at very least a cut in PP. Clutch and I tested that a while back and both of us found it to be the "ringer" compared to many other cars we tested. I know I was 2-3 seconds faster per lap than any other car I tested depending on the track and that was with a base tune with no tweeking going up against cars I had actually worked on a bit.

Could there be a HP/weigh ratio requirement for the 90's cars? That may further even them out. I have found that weight has a much greater impact on lap times than over all HP.

The GT series is a real eye opener when it comes to this. There are cars with 50-60 HP differences at the same PP and weight and all are with in less than a second of each other in testing. The M4 and the C8 are a prime example of this. I really think that PP ratings between cars is really not than comparison of the cars unless the weight is made even as well.

In reply to dean1484:

I'll look at it again, but don't expect a change. It is a very easy car to make quick, but as I said before it isn't the fastest car I've tested (sorry Spool ).

As for HP/weight I don't think it would work here given the PP level and different drivetrain layouts. Setting a minimum weight would kill the FF cars, and the car I tested with the worst power to weight ratio was actually faster than the car with the best. Also, given that I have 8 cars within 1 second as it is I don't think the formula needs to be changed at this point.

The one thing we do need to hash out is whether aero is allowed. Early on we said it was, probably so all the cars could be more fast and furious, but later on went back against it. So, does anyone have a strong preference either way?

I'm ok with nixing the s2000. I just haven't done any testing and I know I have a 450pp s2k that I use in seasonal challenges that I could grab and go.

Id rather see everyone in a different car anyways. Of all the generaas, the 90's Japanese cars have the biggest choices of any in GT6.

What about car choice based on results from last season? One model allowed, to force variety. It's not like there's a lack of choices.

I will run with what ever people want re the 90's cars. I am hoping to find something interesting and uneque. A wagon of some sort maybe or a panel van.

Yeah, I'll probably relapse to my Nissan roots.

I am going to test the Nismo 400R

How about a Toyota Aristo v6. Need to test that as well.