trigun7469
trigun7469 UltraDork
12/3/24 1:45 p.m.

Logitech G29 PS4/5 and PC mods or upgrade, I have only had logitechs the past 25 years, anyways my biggest irritation is the braking and I am also considering replacing the steering to a F1 style. Anyways one of the mods I did was changing the springs in the brake which made it worse. So I started researching and found  true brake which seems to be a decent solution, but would it be just worth it to upgrade to thrustmaster T248, which also might be a better drive and steering. The mod to F1 style seems to be available for all wheels I was just wondering if it's worth the mod if you don't use F1 games very often. Here is the one I am considering

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/3/24 4:29 p.m.

What is your budget?

I was a logitech user for decades and the G27/29 or even the 920 are good entry level wheels.  Nothing wrong with them.  If you have the $$$ and are serious about sim racing there are other better options out there but be prepared to pay.  As for making the brakes better with the logitech stuff there are mods you can make to the brake peddle from the simple eracer mod to a complete replacement of the sensor and spring.  I have not done it but Aircooled here on the board I think has done it. 

I finally took the plunge and upped my sim game and went with Moza for a new set of peddles and wheel and shifter etc.   Fanatech is another viable option and  has been a go to as a next level above the logitech G series and it looks like they have survived there recent financial problems.    

Piguin
Piguin Reader
12/3/24 4:38 p.m.

While Logitech wheels are decent for their price point, I would suggest against investing more into them by modding. It won't feel as you want it to, and once you move from spring mods for the brakes and the bolt mod for the shifter cost rises exponentially.

 

If I was in your place, I'd move it along the used market and go for a different wheel. Also, this suggestion would make even more sense a week ago when you could have taken advantage of Black Friday and Cyber Monday price reductions, although some might still be running.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
12/3/24 5:33 p.m.

I have the True brake mod on my G27.  It is a huge improvement over stock or even heavier springs (which I have also tried), making it more pressure than movement for the brakes.   I also have a (maybe $60) after market shifter. This one: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BWQPFJQJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1).

I don't think the pedal would be easy to move to another wheel (they plug into the wheel).  The shifter would easily (it plugs into the PC via USB).  I would say the shifter has far better feel than stock, but it won't necessarily make you faster (the super short, unrealistic, throw of the stock one is likely a bit faster).

https://www.thrustmaster.com/en-us/products/t248/

I don't know about the Thrusmaster pedals.  They claim to have a MAGNETIC PEDAL SET but I don't know if that has a similar feel to the True Brake (though seems better than stock Logitech).

It's a tough call because $400 really is getting close to the next level (e.g. Moza).  Generally, in such circumstances, if you are fully intending to use this for years going forward, I would say bite the bullet a bit and invest in a higher quality base platform.  You could certainly upgrade from a Thrustmaster later, but it might be a bit of a pain to sell it in the future.

The shifter:

Rodan
Rodan UberDork
12/3/24 5:56 p.m.

I'm honestly not that familiar with the offerings/options for the Logitech stuff, but upgrading to load cell pedals made an enormous difference in my braking consistency.  Probably the biggest single improvement in lap times directly from a hardware upgrade.   My gear is a hodgepodge of Fanatec stuff that I've upgraded over the years, but I know there's a lot more out there now.

Piguin
Piguin Reader
12/3/24 7:04 p.m.

In reply to aircooled :

As I found out after your post about the true brake inspired me to take a deeper look, apparently there are usb adapters for the pedals (around 30-40 bucks) that turn them into stand alone - and boast of better resolution etc.

 

And now I am thinking of getting a true brake. Even though I just said that it wouldn't make sense. Great.

 

 

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
12/3/24 7:42 p.m.

In reply to Piguin :

Well, don't just talk about it, post a link to what you found!   cheeky

(I will of course wait to see your report as to how they work before I throw any money at it)

This one?:  https://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=187

Looks pretty straight forward, which is nice.  The adapter I had for my PS for the older wheels needed power, so it was a bit of a pain.

Piguin
Piguin Reader
12/3/24 8:15 p.m.

Yup, that one and the Logitech G Adapter seem to be the tools of choice.

I should note that apparently mix and match doesn't work for consoles.

 

I currently have a G923 with a shifter that I got used as a set for $200, did the bolt mod for the shifter which made it suck marginally less and finally fixed the sensitivity so that I can get feedback a bit earlier than half way through a 360 spin. The idea was to eventually sell it and get a better setup, since brake consistency has been - as you've probably noticed - non existent, but now I am wondering if the true brake mod would bridge the gap enough to postpone that, and if it is worth half of what I paid for the whole setup.

dj06482 (Forum Supporter)
dj06482 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UberDork
12/4/24 7:24 a.m.

Thanks for the TruBrake mod insight, I might have to try that out. The nut behind the wheel is still the biggest place for improvement in my case, but the brakes have never felt good.  This seems to be a cost-effective option!

trigun7469
trigun7469 UltraDork
12/4/24 3:43 p.m.

Putting $160 or more into a device that is worth less is puzzling, I found locally used Thrustmaster 300T and might upgrade the fan, which seems to be a big problem. I can then sell the G29, and recoup some of the money. Or do nothing as I am not a serious sim racer and only plan offline.

Piguin
Piguin Reader
12/4/24 4:30 p.m.

In reply to trigun7469 :

Theory says you are 100% correct.

Then again, we are in a forum that specializes in buying old, cheap cars and putting a ton more money in them than the purchase price. 

Plus, the brake mod is only $77 plus shipping (which going by challenge logic shouldn't count) from Etsy.

 

Yeah, I know, we are weird.

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