wait you mean my $200 Chinese Mini Bike was a gross polluter? never

http://green.autoblog.com/2010/05/14/pep-boys-agrees-to-pay-5m-fine-for-selling-chinese-made-atvs-m/

HA Ha pep boys.

So $20 per unit?

That'll teach them.

total slap on the wrists.

I've never ridden one of those things, but look at them, you're in more trouble of the thing falling apart on you and injuring yourself than being a gross polluter.

I fully support this. They've devalued real CT-70's with cheap knockoffs.

They've devalued the CT 70, and mini trail down to where they should be, and I support that competition.

It's not competition when you make a cheap, carbon copy of someone else's design.

Thats all BS. As far as I heard Pep Boys got busted because of paperwork issues. Not using the proper VIN numbers or not getting the correct licenses to sell those particular VINs etc.

Press Release said: Pep Boys failed to provide purchasers with the full emission-system warranty required by the Clean Air Act, and imported and sold vehicles and engines without the proper emission control information labels.

That's probably the bulk of the claim there.

Sorry to break it to you, but the motors in the Pep Boys bikes are exactly the same as anything in any other south-asian built bike. Either the GY6 Honda clone scooter engine thats nearly identical to the Genuine Buddy or many Kymco scooters or lots of "legal" Chinajunk scoots; or the Honda minibike clone motors like are sold in the Sachs MadAss or SYM Symba (ct90 clone) and tons of other bikes.

If it doesn't have a cat. conv. and f.i. on it, pretty much anything is a "gross polluter" compared to modern cars.

Umm,

"Importers of foreign made vehicles and engines must comply with the same Clean Air Act requirements that apply to those selling domestic products, and this settlement demonstrates that we will take strong action to ensure that importers comply with their obligations."

Can someone name a domestic manufacturer of dirt bikes? I guess they exist but I can't think of any off hand.

Woody wrote: It's not competition when you make a cheap, carbon copy of someone else's design.

It is when you bought the tooling from Honda.

We ran into this about 5 years ago when we started selling the "Chonda" engines.

The quality isn't nearly as good as a Honda but the copy is so good that Honda parts interchange. Just replace the broken bits with Honda bits and you're fine.

Honda sold their old tooling off a few years back, then stood around going "What's going on here" when the copies started to show up.

Apparently they couldn't understand how it happened but the rest of the world could.

Shawn

Woody wrote: It's not competition when you make a cheap, carbon copy of someone else's design.

Indeed, I'm sure the "real" minibike manufacturers have thousands of design and engineering hours in bending up a few pieces of tube.

Press Release said: Pep Boys failed to provide purchasers with the full emission-system warranty required by the Clean Air Act, and imported and sold vehicles and engines without the proper emission control information labels.

I think the only "emissions" equipment on any of these engines would be venting the crankcase into the airbox. That change was made somewhere around the early 80's. I can't really think of anything else they could have.

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Umm,

Can someone name a domestic manufacturer of dirt bikes? I guess they exist but I can't think of any off hand.

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