BabyFerrariRacing
BabyFerrariRacing New Reader
3/8/16 11:59 p.m.

Hey everyone. I couldn't find much on this but I'm curious to know would it better to run staggered on a track fwd car or square all around? I'm building my dart for the track

bearmtnmartin
bearmtnmartin GRM+ Memberand Dork
3/9/16 12:21 a.m.

I found my car was quicker with no stagger but a bit of rear steer instead. But I seem to be in the minority. Our track is a medium banked paved oval.

Robbie
Robbie GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
3/12/16 9:16 p.m.

Road course or circle track?

Staggered meaning front/rears bigger than the other or right side larger than the other?

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/12/16 11:21 p.m.

I swear the classic Mini guys don't care at all about what's keeping the rear bumper off the ground. They'd install casters back there if they could.

MCarp22
MCarp22 Dork
3/13/16 12:52 a.m.

DILYSI Dave runs a staggered FWD setup. Perhaps they'll chime in?

BabyFerrariRacing
BabyFerrariRacing New Reader
3/19/16 8:32 a.m.
Robbie wrote: Road course or circle track? Staggered meaning front/rears bigger than the other or right side larger than the other?

Road course

bearmtnmartin
bearmtnmartin GRM+ Memberand Dork
3/19/16 10:18 a.m.

Why would you want stagger for a road course?

Matt B
Matt B SuperDork
3/19/16 5:04 p.m.

In reply to bearmtnmartin: I'm guessing to aid rotation, but I'm not sure it really works that way in practice since understeer is rarely caused by too much tire in the back, but instead by how much your asking if the front. I'm admittedly a total noob to road courses though so I'm interested to hear from those familiar.

That's you right?

bearmtnmartin
bearmtnmartin GRM+ Memberand Dork
3/19/16 5:45 p.m.

I'm more of a roundy round guy. And we refer to stagger as being larger diameter tires on the outside than the inside to help the car turn.

84FSP
84FSP HalfDork
3/19/16 9:11 p.m.

I've seen autox's folks run a wider fron than rear or even the same tire on different width rims. Being a fan of square setups I have a hard time seeing the real benefit.

Matt B
Matt B SuperDork
3/20/16 5:15 a.m.

In reply to bearmtnmartin: Ah, gotcha. For some reason I always thought you were a road course aficionado. Still jealous of your wheel to wheel time either way.

84FSP - In theory at least, the setup makes more sense for autocross where getting the rear to slide at relatively low speeds isn't necessarily detrimental.

This is all based on my assumption that you would do this for the difference in slip angles.

Robbie
Robbie GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
3/20/16 5:32 p.m.

I would say for road course or autox you would want to play with stagger as a last resort, if your other tuning or rules prevent you from making the changes that need to be made. Especially starting out, you will really want to be able to rotate tires to get the most life out of each set.

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